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The Kingx
Joined: Mar 16, 2014

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Posted: Apr 25, 2018 12:48 PM    Msg. 1 of 25       
Phil Spencer, head of Xbox, just tweeted this . Could all of our hopes and dreams finally come true?


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

Newly redesigned MattDratt.com


Posted: Apr 25, 2018 01:36 PM    Msg. 2 of 25       
Well as they see how much attention a free Halo PC is getting, they gotta get in on this lost ca$h.

Also this is mostly just PR speak for "sorry about all these dmcas we about to slap everyone lol"


HandofGod
Joined: Jan 10, 2014

Halo Mac/MD Player & Modder


Posted: Apr 25, 2018 07:54 PM    Msg. 3 of 25       
Quote: --- Original message by: The Kingx
Phil Spencer, head of Xbox, just tweeted this . Could all of our hopes and dreams finally come true?


I'll believe it when I see it. Phil Spencer has only really delivered on making XBone backwards compatible with older Halo games so far


Echo77
Joined: Jul 20, 2010

Humble thyself and hold thy tongue.


Posted: Apr 26, 2018 12:01 AM    Msg. 4 of 25       
Quote: --- Original message by: The Kingx
Could all of our hopes and dreams finally come true?

It's the same message they've been giving us for 10+ years: "We're open to the idea," "We're keeping all our options on the table," "We're listening," "It's an exciting prospect." It's another non-answer.


Spartan314
Joined: Aug 21, 2010

Former biped rigger & FP animator


Posted: Apr 26, 2018 03:34 AM    Msg. 5 of 25       
I was more excited about that time in Modacity than this.


The Kingx
Joined: Mar 16, 2014

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Posted: Apr 26, 2018 09:06 AM    Msg. 6 of 25       
Quote: --- Original message by: Echo77
Quote: --- Original message by: The Kingx
Could all of our hopes and dreams finally come true?

It's the same message they've been giving us for 10+ years: "We're open to the idea," "We're keeping all our options on the table," "We're listening," "It's an exciting prospect." It's another non-answer.


Well, there's also this. . They seem to be pushing that angle more than they used to.
I can totally understand why you're being so skeptical about it, though. And I'm worried that, if they end up releasing MCC/Halo 6 on PC, that it'll just be a Windows Store exclusive or be fairly broken from launch.
\_(ツ)_/


Spartan314
Joined: Aug 21, 2010

Former biped rigger & FP animator


Posted: Apr 26, 2018 09:07 PM    Msg. 7 of 25       
As far as I can tell they're just using that excuse to take down ElDewrito.
They mention CE as a passerby comment.
I really don't think they have any intention of doing anything PC at all.


1bobsam1
Joined: Mar 18, 2010

I win. You lose.


Posted: Apr 27, 2018 08:20 PM    Msg. 8 of 25       
Quote: --- Original message by: Spartan314
As far as I can tell they're just using that excuse to take down ElDewrito.

There is much more to it than that. The project is quite simply illegal. Microsoft should not ignore it because if they did then they are committing a double standard (ALMOST, I just say double standard because it's the easiest way to look at it), it would be almost like Microsoft saying "Oh since so many people want to play this illegal project we'll let it slide. But this other guy over here who has a lesser cared about project that is also illegal lets shut him down." If they ignored it it would look bad for their company. It has nothing to do with current or future plans it's a plain and simple legal move that they have to do but I and many others wish they did not do. A lot of people forget this. In the end you can still play the mod and will be able to for a long time, updates to the project may or may not be a thing anymore that's it.


sparky
Joined: Jun 27, 2009

Fools deceive, but knowledge of Jesus is life.


Posted: May 10, 2018 12:45 PM    Msg. 9 of 25       
It would be completely legal if Microsoft did not make it illegal. The same goes with anything else anyone does. Everything is legal until someone says, "This is illegal." Thus, the burden of reason is placed upon the person who claims something as being illegal. Once the reason for that illegal status is gone, it should not continue to be illegal.

For example, you drive on the right side of the road in this country. But if there is a tree blocking your lane and you can go around, or when there is construction in an area of road that requires you to drive in the left lane, that reason overrules the existing illegality of driving only in the right side lane.

In the same way, if Microsoft's legal department actually agreed that their game fans should not be called law-breakers by doing what has been done here with El Dewrito and other community works, then there would basically be no tree in the road saying to us, "the only way to get around this is to break the law".

But in this situation, the reason for making El Dewrito illegal no longer exists. If Microsoft was making any revenue in its Russian market, that did not apply to non-Russians like us. And this Halo Online game was discontinued anyway, which means Microsoft no longer wants to make money off of it. When you consider all the facts, and look at all their reasons for being legal situations, then in a single conclusion, El Dewrito and all our other community projects should be considered legal. And I assert that any arguments to the contrary are from uneven opinions rather than based upon evidence.

Consider this: when you speak, aren't you merely breathing out air that does not belong to you? Yet people have the arrogance to claim copyright for their words and actions without permissive leeway. So copyright provides no reason to make something illegal. Unless, of course, you want to be sued by God and pay a fine for every breath you take... because you took what does not belong to you, which in legal terms is called petty theft, and is punishable by fine, imprisonment, or both. So you see this arrogance does not respect double-standards, and gets us nowhere, quickly. [You can remember to be grateful the next time you have difficulty breathing. Have you shown God any gratitude for the air you breathe? Have you used some of it to say "thank you, Heavenly Father"?]

Therefore, any corporation who wants their interests to be taken seriously must provide with their works a license that respects use, not hinders the user. It should be obvious to any professional software developer that the user of their software has the privilege -- and possibly, the duty -- to open the software product in a software analysis application. And anyone who comprehends the basics of what an executable is should also understand that it is irrational to make believe in the law jargon that the release of a software product is anything substantially less than releasing the source code to that executable. If you don't want to release the source code, don't release the app! And if you release the app, show the source code also, which at least allows you to provide personalized comments and additional information with the files.


Edited by sparky on May 10, 2018 at 01:35 PM


R93_Sniper
Joined: Feb 13, 2011

When in Doubt, RUN!


Posted: May 10, 2018 01:34 PM    Msg. 10 of 25       
Quote: --- Original message by: sparky

-snip-


^ see this guy up here? He has no idea what he's talking about. He's got a shoe so far up his back side that its sticking out of his mouth. Regardless, if you want to figure out why he's wrong, do some basic research on how IP law works in the US. That way you can be more informed than this doofus.


sparky
Joined: Jun 27, 2009

Fools deceive, but knowledge of Jesus is life.


Posted: May 10, 2018 01:37 PM    Msg. 11 of 25       
Wow, calling me a doofus. Real professional, real indicative of knowledge in a legal field. I have done research, I have experience, and I have knowledge you refuse to hear. Who's the doofus?

If you want to respond to anything I say, you'll have to show critical thinking beyond misquoting my post by showing that I said "snip".
Edited by sparky on May 10, 2018 at 01:39 PM


Higuy
Joined: Mar 6, 2007

@lucasgovatos


Posted: May 10, 2018 01:56 PM    Msg. 12 of 25       
Quote: --- Original message by: sparky
If you want to respond to anything I say, you'll have to show critical thinking beyond misquoting my post by showing that I said "snip".
Edited by sparky on May 10, 2018 at 01:39 PM


Sparky - a person who is apparently experienced in IP law but doesn't seem to realize that people use "-snip-" as a way to quote someone but not the entire length of their very long post, as a way to save space. Nice.


OrangeJuice
Joined: Jan 29, 2009

intent is share-alike


Posted: May 10, 2018 02:12 PM    Msg. 13 of 25       
Luckily these forums are so ridiculously old and outdated that I can simply just download an entire tree branch of history from it so that another mass-deletion can't be hidden the moment people realize they've screwed up.



In hindsight, anyone who makes content for haloCE can make backups of a forum hive for the purpose of malice and truth. Us halomaps devs are pretty smart.
Edited by OrangeJuice on May 10, 2018 at 08:25 PM


DeadHamster
Joined: Jun 8, 2014


Posted: May 10, 2018 02:19 PM    Msg. 14 of 25       


sparky
Joined: Jun 27, 2009

Fools deceive, but knowledge of Jesus is life.


Posted: May 11, 2018 11:41 AM    Msg. 15 of 25       
Step 1) Sees image.
Step 2) Right-clicks image and selects "Search Image on TinEye".
Step 3) Sees that image is a meme.
Step 4) Notes irony that a post criticizing IP infringement through software modification and distribution uses an meme image they have modified and/or redistributed.

Hypocrisy confirmed. Sorry, mate. I know you felt like you had the right to modify and/or redistribute meme images, but technically, memes are also IP infringement of a much greater severity and scale than El Dewrito ever could be. Anyone who has ever modified an image without the copyright holder's explicit written permission has committed copyright infringement! Anyone who has ever "used" an image, such as by copying it, or hot-linking to it, without explicit copyright permission, has also committed copyright infringement! The fact that the image was "made available for free" is irrelevant -- after all, Halo Online was made available for free during beta testing, wasn't it? And so you see that if one person is to blame, you are also probably to blame by the same rationale, and then the entire Internet comes crumbling down under the force of copyright law. Surely there must be a more productive way... hmm...

Some of you are probably thinking, "but wait, it's in the name of parody, which is 'covered' under copyright law". All those exceptions to copyright law are simply evidence that copyright law does not actually work in practice. If any law is to be considered valid by nature, it must be practical in full reason without any exceptions to it. Otherwise, it is evidently biased and clearly unjust. The "more productive way" is to have a double standard for God's command "love your neighbor as yourself". It is expected of the ruled to abide by copyright law, but all these excuses to break the law -- 'covered' situations such as parody -- are only the rulers handing us plebs crumbs of the same thing.

I guess not much has changed since monarchies. The rulers expect the people to hand over loaves while the rulers themselves hand back mere crumbs of those loaves they have themselves taken to consume for themselves (you heard me, all you lawyers and politicians -- who pays your salary?).

But if people would stop accusing each other and take a moment to think about what is actually happening, not give knee-jerk reactions based upon selfish or defensive fear, then maybe we could all get along better and start actually making progress as a society. You see how popular open source software web sites are like GitHub. They are popular because people can see what others have done and learn from it, and also collaborate upon it. But now we have greedy people in corporations basically using copyright law to get ransom money from the users of their software. To what end? Greed is destructive, it makes no progress. Why do you think Microsoft Games and 343i keep putting out low quality updates to the Halo franchise? It's not because they are incapable, it is because the time table they have set for themselves on account of ... well, greed and fear ... has "forced them" to announce their projects ahead of time and release them ahead of schedule.

There is no reason to release software to a user base you have not taken the time to survey and consider, and there is no reason to rush a project to completion. Well, not unless you enjoy the adrenaline rush of irresponsible behavior through setting unreasonable, self-imposed timetables for yourself and your colleagues. Oh, and then there is the "we have to start making money today" argument, which again, is a manifestation of greed and fear... does not seem practical to set unrealistic expectations, does it? That simply reflects poor planning, which is a kind of irresponsible behavior.

And what about the wisdom of, "I tell you, use worldly wealth to gain friends for yourselves, so that when it is gone, you will be welcomed into eternal dwellings." ? The copyright lawyers and judges may ignore wisdom and logic, but that does not mean I have to be a fool too. Fools prosecute and persecute because they want-want-want, but they are irresponsible and undeserving. In short, they themselves are hypocrites.

The Internet is copyright infringement on an incredibly massive scale. But this is why laws change, once people see that they are impractical and unsuitable for a particular use, which is why you have these exceptions like "educational use" and "parody". But the laws only change if you have people throwing money at (lobbying) lazy politicians. See, the politicians are not hired to think, they are hired to be bribed, even as the law says that it is illegal for them to accept bribes. But then again, something has to give because the law does not match the practice.

We already have the rights, they are simply not being recognized by conspiring lawyer-politicians and extortionist software developers.

To foster transparency is to foster education. To foster education is to foster collaboration. To foster collaboration is to foster progress. But intellectual property law -- all those software licenses to which we have clicked "I agree" -- are provided to place between you and the software you are using a legal wall instead of a legal window, to foster clandestine opacity instead of transparency.

And so only the people with the money to buy license contracts have the right to develop software? That's backwards practice. Because these developers expect to have access to other's freely-provided work -- libpng for example -- or to magically have the investment money like they do (because others have invested in them -- oh the hypocrisy is so deep!) and therefore be able to buy license contracts to use other commercial software in their own software. Where would the Internet be right now without a free, community edition of Microsoft Visual Studio, MySQL, Xcode, student licenses of 3D Studio Max or free versions like Gmax, and free alternatives to Photoshop like GIMP? Major corporations with the money and the copyright law lobbying clout (they call it clout, but it's really mere arrogance) can go ahead and buy and use paid versions of all these commercial products, and spend thousands of dollars each year doing so. But they have no right to expect everyone to have such resources and impose fines upon those of us who can only use free software and develop free software to which they in turn expect to have free access. If you have any idea what I'm saying here, you can clearly see that the whole copyright law system is a massive conspiratorial sham.

But I have multiple copyrights of my own works, and I have had my own businesses (self-employed, I incorporated in Nevada and then in Wyoming as a C-corporation and then as an LLC), and I have seen first-hand the waters and sailed on them, and what do I do for myself? I provide permissive terms of use, basically saying, "make copies, but prefer the copies I provide and check with me for integrity of my work". Anything else is just setting up hoops for people to jump through. And nobody wants to deal with those, you've already lost a customer, use "the free alternative" instead!
Edited by sparky on May 11, 2018 at 12:41 PM


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

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Posted: May 11, 2018 12:38 PM    Msg. 16 of 25       
Holy doodle what are you smoking?


sparky
Joined: Jun 27, 2009

Fools deceive, but knowledge of Jesus is life.


Posted: May 11, 2018 12:43 PM    Msg. 17 of 25       
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Holy doodle what are you smoking?

I am justifying your actions because you are too lazy to think for yourself. If that makes you feel justified to be a prick to me, well then you've got other problems, "friend".

Now I've said my piece. And there was a dictionary word I saw yesterday which described perfectly this kind of mistreatment I get here, and so I'm done.

You do not know how much has been invested in you. Had you known, you still would be ungrateful, because, well, let's face it: you're a narcissist.
Edited by sparky on May 11, 2018 at 12:46 PM


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

Newly redesigned MattDratt.com


Posted: May 11, 2018 01:36 PM    Msg. 18 of 25       
Quote: --- Original message by: sparky

Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Holy doodle what are you smoking?

let's face it: you're a narcissist.
Edited by sparky on May 11, 2018 at 12:46 PM


o crap you got me


DeadHamster
Joined: Jun 8, 2014


Posted: May 11, 2018 03:28 PM    Msg. 19 of 25       
God is the biggest narcissist there is. Why dont you mull that one over


PRPatxi
Joined: Oct 30, 2010

Dennis, free me from this suffering


Posted: May 11, 2018 05:49 PM    Msg. 20 of 25       
If Microsoft sees a lot of profit in making a Halo port to the PC I'm pretty sure they would be doing it by now.

The problem lies is doing it without affecting Xbox sales.


not giraffe
Joined: Jul 17, 2014


Posted: May 11, 2018 07:55 PM    Msg. 21 of 25       
sparky, I can see you've got talent. Have you ever considered publishing bedtime stories? Just an afterthought, considering you nearly put me to sleep. I'd hate to see such talent go to waste. Not to mention the people suffering from insomnia that could benefit.


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

Newly redesigned MattDratt.com


Posted: May 12, 2018 12:00 AM    Msg. 22 of 25       
GUYS

HALO PC CONFIRMED!!!


Edited by MatthewDratt on May 12, 2018 at 12:01 AM


MosesofEgypt
Joined: Apr 3, 2013


Posted: May 12, 2018 02:45 AM    Msg. 23 of 25       
Started watching Hellsing Ultimate. Guess who I immediately drew parallels to when this scene started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgCLouENn-A&t=30
Edited by MosesofEgypt on May 12, 2018 at 11:03 PM


BKTiel
Joined: Mar 18, 2014

strong independent bird needs no cage


Posted: May 12, 2018 08:47 PM    Msg. 24 of 25       
Quote: --- Original message by: MosesofEgypt
Started watching Hellsing Ultimate. Guess who I immediately drew parallels to when this scene started.

<a href="http://" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgCLouENn-A&t=30/url]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgCLouENn-A&t=30


Kavawuvi
Joined: May 24, 2018


Posted: Today @ 09:52 AM    Msg. 25 of 25       
I'm not sure the Halo PC Microsoft is talking about is the Halo PC you guys want. It'll probably be a Windows 10 Store exclusive, and it might suck trying to mod it. I wouldn't be surprised if they forced vSync on or had an arbitrary 60 FPS cap.


And, oh boy, this one's a doozy.

Quote: --- Original message by: sparky

It would be completely legal if Microsoft did not make it illegal. The same goes with anything else anyone does. Everything is legal until someone says, "This is illegal." Thus, the burden of reason is placed upon the person who claims something as being illegal. Once the reason for that illegal status is gone, it should not continue to be illegal.

So stealing is legal as long as you get away with it?


Quote: --- Original message by: sparky

For example, you drive on the right side of the road in this country. But if there is a tree blocking your lane and you can go around, or when there is construction in an area of road that requires you to drive in the left lane, that reason overrules the existing illegality of driving only in the right side lane.

So there's an exception that allows you to steal from someone?


Quote: --- Original message by: sparky

But in this situation, the reason for making El Dewrito illegal no longer exists. If Microsoft was making any revenue in its Russian market, that did not apply to non-Russians like us. And this Halo Online game was discontinued anyway, which means Microsoft no longer wants to make money off of it.

While I do think it's stupid that they made this decision, Microsoft has every right to protect and control their intellectual property regardless of if it's being maintained or not. This should be reason enough.


Quote: --- Original message by: sparky

Therefore, any corporation who wants their interests to be taken seriously must provide with their works a license that respects use, not hinders the user.

Remind me why you use a Mac.
Edited by Kavawuvi on May 25, 2018 at 10:01 AM

 

 
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