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Ethereial
Joined: May 19, 2009

O_O


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:04 AM    Msg. 1 of 51       
You know, like H2's engine? Don't spam me with the "GO BUY H2 THEN!!!1!!one!1eleven!" stuff. But still, I'd think we have to prove the game worthy of it.

I certainly don't want an entire engine change, just the major features such as aerial vehicle strafing, dual-wielding, boosting, etc. I know some of these are possible, but they're just imperfect.

Don't spam me with the "I doubt Bungie/Gearbox will release an engine update" stuff. I'm asking if the results are good. It wouldn't neccessarily take up H2's 7 GB or HD, since it's (usually) the SP and MP maps that take up much space, especially for CE.

Ed: Yeah, I know Bungie likely wouldn't because it's like you bought H2 for free. Just before I get humiliated with that answer.

Edited by Ethereial on Jul 3, 2009 at 09:11 AM


Karrde
Joined: Jul 30, 2007

Power beyond containing


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:11 AM    Msg. 2 of 51       
Halo is an old game. Halo 3 has at least 300,000 players at any given time, while Halo PC has only 3,000 on its best days, and Halo CE isn't even close to that, with barely 200 players a day. Plus, Microsoft/Bungie/Gearbox aren't making money on this game any more. Of course everyone who plays the game wants it updated, but that "everyone" is a very small number. It's not going to happen, as much as we'd like it to.


anonymous_2009
Joined: Jun 13, 2009


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:13 AM    Msg. 3 of 51       
A new version of Halo CE with those sort of features would be cool. Like Halo CEX (Halo Custom Edition Extra). But I would not change Halo CE entirly.

When I got university next year there is a part of the course I may be doing which si reverse engineering. So I could try to reverse engineer HaloCE and maybe try and add features. But I doubt I will be able to.


NapalM
Joined: Jul 8, 2007

keke


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:18 AM    Msg. 4 of 51       
Like anon said, the halo's gameplay is fine the way it is, but if the netcode was upgraded and there was better rendering.. yum.


SegwayMaster1324
Joined: Feb 7, 2009


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:23 AM    Msg. 5 of 51       
Karrde (hope I spelt it right) is right, Halo is an old game. It was made around 8 or 9 years ago so of course it's engine is going to have alot of limits, but we have seen that those limits have been push as far as they can or that much as been made even with those limits. Also I wish there would be some sort of update to the engine OS was sort of close in a sense and it allows for some new features and possabilities with those features, but there's no reason to do so. Halo CE is not a profit especially when most of the coummity has praited the game (which is only like what $20 now?, how cheap can you be!?) so I don't see a reason for them to update the engine or any update of any sorts at all.
So basicy I wish but unlikely.


Ethereial
Joined: May 19, 2009

O_O


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:26 AM    Msg. 6 of 51       
They could at least implement dual-wielding. But since HCE is legal modding, can someone re-engineer HCE's engine? By the time I take up software courses there would only be... say 30 players a week? It's 3 freakin' years. But... I SHALL RETURN!!! Let it die.


SegwayMaster1324
Joined: Feb 7, 2009


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:39 AM    Msg. 7 of 51       
There is dual-welding in CE but it sucks and it only works online.
Here's the dual-wielding script by Kenny001:
http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2873


Karrde
Joined: Jul 30, 2007

Power beyond containing


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:41 AM    Msg. 8 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: SegwayMaster1324
Karrde (hope I spelt it right) is right, Halo is an old game. It was made around 8 or 9 years ago so of course it's engine is going to have alot of limits, but we have seen that those limits have been push as far as they can or that much as been made even with those limits. Also I wish there would be some sort of update to the engine OS was sort of close in a sense and it allows for some new features and possabilities with those features, but there's no reason to do so. Halo CE is not a profit especially when most of the coummity has praited the game (which is only like what $20 now?, how cheap can you be!?) so I don't see a reason for them to update the engine or any update of any sorts at all.
So basicy I wish but unlikely.
QFT

Also, +2 respect points, you've spelled my name correctly in 2 different threads now.


Gamma927
Joined: Jun 12, 2008

Steam: gamma927


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:42 AM    Msg. 9 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: SegwayMaster1324
There is dual-welding in CE but it sucks and it DOESN'T SYNC works online.
Here's the dual-wielding script by Kenny001:
http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2873

FTFY
Edited by Gamma927 on Jul 3, 2009 at 09:43 AM


SegwayMaster1324
Joined: Feb 7, 2009


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:46 AM    Msg. 10 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
Quote: --- Original message by: SegwayMaster1324
There is dual-welding in CE but it sucks and it DOESN'T works online.
Here's the dual-wielding script by Kenny001:
http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=2873

FTFY

oshi,my bad epic typo, also some of the weapons in H2 coagulation simulate dual-wielding:
http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=1095


Cocaine
Joined: Mar 2, 2009

Can't stop napping.


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:47 AM    Msg. 11 of 51       
I want the engine to be changed , and better netcode.
Seeing as it will never happen , because GearBox , Microsoft and Bungie wont get anything out of it , it means no.
The thread can die now.


UnevenElefant5
Joined: May 3, 2008

she/her this fag bashes back


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 10:49 AM    Msg. 12 of 51       
There's not much you can change anyway. Maybe with OS you could do some stuff, but nothing too drastic like syncing AI or changing perms :\


DEEhunter
Joined: Dec 16, 2006


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 04:58 PM    Msg. 13 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: Yoda
No.


DarkHalo003
Joined: Mar 10, 2008

All ARs Need Green Little Buttons.


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 04:59 PM    Msg. 14 of 51       
You can't change the Engine.


Slayer117
Joined: Oct 3, 2008

Host of CE3 2010-forever!


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 06:04 PM    Msg. 15 of 51       
the engine will never be changed or a new update to fix stuff. since halo pc and CE are unsported.


Dennis

Joined: Jan 27, 2005

"We are made of starstuff. ― Carl Sagan


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 06:34 PM    Msg. 16 of 51       
They did change the Halo 1 game engine. They did it twice. They called it Halo 2 and then Halo 3.


Advancebo
Joined: Jan 14, 2008


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 07:05 PM    Msg. 17 of 51       
And i believe they changed it a third time for Halo 3 ODST


Gamma927
Joined: Jun 12, 2008

Steam: gamma927


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 07:09 PM    Msg. 18 of 51       
Halo 3: ODST uses Halo 3's engine, for the most part.


DEEhunter
Joined: Dec 16, 2006


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 07:10 PM    Msg. 19 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
Halo 3: ODST uses Halo 3's engine, for the most part.

An updated version of the halo 3 engine.


anonymous_2009
Joined: Jun 13, 2009


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 07:11 PM    Msg. 20 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: Ethereial
They could at least implement dual-wielding. But since HCE is legal modding, can someone re-engineer HCE's engine? By the time I take up software courses there would only be... say 30 players a week? It's 3 freakin' years. But... I SHALL RETURN!!! Let it die.


Like I said, I could attempt at reverse enginering it when I go university next year. May be able to add new stuff.


CorruptedHalo
Joined: May 18, 2009


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 07:42 PM    Msg. 21 of 51       
So, wait, just a quick question, when making H3, did bungie just use advanced versions of the HEK? Because I know there was a HEK for H2V so I know they made H2 with it, but just wondering about H3.


avp DRAGON
Joined: Jun 21, 2009

yeeeee


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 07:48 PM    Msg. 22 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: CorruptedHalo
So, wait, just a quick question, when making H3, did bungie just use advanced versions of the HEK? Because I know there was a HEK for H2V so I know they made H2 with it, but just wondering about H3.

No.
They built each engine specifically for each of their games from the ground up, until now for ODST.


Gamma927
Joined: Jun 12, 2008

Steam: gamma927


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 07:48 PM    Msg. 23 of 51       
The tools they used to make Halo 3 were probably similar to the HEK that we use now.


anonymous_2009
Joined: Jun 13, 2009


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 08:05 PM    Msg. 24 of 51       
Yes ^

They would program tools like HEK. Otherwise they would have to hard code each tag ect... Most games have some sort of editing kit which the developers use.


Headhunter09
Joined: May 6, 2008

This is the truth.


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 08:06 PM    Msg. 25 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: halopro77
the only thing that i would liked about ce is a better net code so you don have to lead like 5 feet. can you modify the net code to enhance it without changing the engine by maybe modify dlls? I know kornman is going to have a better net code thing in os but is there another way?

Lag is not the netcodes problems, its people's internets.


anonymous_2009
Joined: Jun 13, 2009


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 08:14 PM    Msg. 26 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: Headhunter09
Quote: --- Original message by: halopro77
the only thing that i would liked about ce is a better net code so you don have to lead like 5 feet. can you modify the net code to enhance it without changing the engine by maybe modify dlls? I know kornman is going to have a better net code thing in os but is there another way?

Lag is not the netcodes problems, its people's internets.


It is both. If netcode is written badly then calculations and stuff may be slow. or faulty. Which makes lag.


Codebrain
Joined: Sep 29, 2007

/meme


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 08:25 PM    Msg. 27 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: Gamma927
The tools they used to make Halo 3 were probably similar to the HEK that we use now.


Why would they even think of using different tools than what they did with Halo 1? Make it more complex for them?

If you had the Halo 3 Limited/Legendary Edition you got a disk that told you how Halo 3 was made.

One part of the video showed a Bungie Employee opening up Tsavo Highway with Sapien, and explained Trigger Volumes.

So yes, they do use the same kit, just edited to fit the engine they are using.


CorruptedHalo
Joined: May 18, 2009


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 08:29 PM    Msg. 28 of 51       
like, awesome
I was referring to Codebrain's post, btw
Edited by CorruptedHalo on Jul 3, 2009 at 09:51 PM


JHOW2
Joined: Jun 24, 2009

Don't got one.


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:50 PM    Msg. 29 of 51       
Like dennis said they did upgrade the engine and fix all these problems. Halo 3 is the final result. How do some of you not understand this? They did not build a whole new engine for halo 2 or 3 they just made it better. End of story.

Also i did try to remake it but it isn't worth it because only a select few could run it.
Edited by JHOW2 on Jul 3, 2009 at 09:52 PM


Higuy
Joined: Mar 6, 2007

@lucasgovatos


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:51 PM    Msg. 30 of 51       
No.
If you can figure out how this engine works, and what it can do, you can create some pretty decent stuff, it just takes time, and learning thats all.


UnevenElefant5
Joined: May 3, 2008

she/her this fag bashes back


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 09:57 PM    Msg. 31 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: Yoda
The Halo engine is only for those who can handle it.

Truer words have never been spoken.


CorruptedHalo
Joined: May 18, 2009


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 10:00 PM    Msg. 32 of 51       
Quote: --- Original message by: Yoda
The Halo engine is only for those who can handle it.

QFT
People who can't are what I like to call people who hate Halo.
E: 2nd page!

Edited by CorruptedHalo on Jul 3, 2009 at 10:13 PM


SegwayMaster1324
Joined: Feb 7, 2009


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 11:08 PM    Msg. 33 of 51       
So in a nutshell (long story short), we wish that engine for halo could be better, it has been updated as h2 and h3, OS is sort of an engine update in a way, the engine is good for what it provides so far, and as much as want,beg, or whine h1's engine cannot be change at this point/time and we can't do jack. Am I in the ballpark?


CorpseManTS
Joined: Nov 16, 2008

Sorry, I cant hear u with my bullet in your mouth!


Posted: Jul 3, 2009 11:41 PM    Msg. 34 of 51       
well, halo 1, 2, 3, 3 ODST engines
what about the new halo: HALO REACH
does some of u know what engine will it use?

btw im editing a HL2(GMod) map to make it like a10
there's still plenty of work to do
I actually made the HL2 elites move and their holding 2-handed weapons just like in halo 3
but they suck they're being beaten by a bunch of zombies
(im only making a10)


sargejohnson
Joined: Apr 20, 2009

Shall we play a game?


Posted: Jul 4, 2009 01:17 AM    Msg. 35 of 51       
wish Halo CE's game engine became open-source.
lots of stuff can be done that way....

 
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