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Nickster5000
Joined: Dec 11, 2010


Posted: Jan 18, 2012 08:41 PM    Msg. 1 of 102       
As all of us know, we are facing a possible doom to all our gaming & fun we have enjoyed all our life. PIPA & SOPA is a very real possibility which is haunting us all. I wanted to make this thread to thank Dennis for all his hard work & hard earned money he's spent on this amazing website and all of us. Let us hope that it does not pass, and if it does pass, let us hope that it does not start a mess that could possibly be regreted in the future.

Best luck to all of you and your families. Thank you again Dennis for all your hard work & opposition towards this doomful bill.


Mushi
Joined: Jul 21, 2007

Halo's Ring is just, Awesome.


Posted: Jan 18, 2012 08:45 PM    Msg. 2 of 102       
Don't die just yet >.> the War is not over so get back on your feet!


Nickster5000
Joined: Dec 11, 2010


Posted: Jan 18, 2012 08:51 PM    Msg. 3 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: Halosnake
Don't die just yet >.> the War is not over so get back on your feet!


I have not given up. I am thanking him ahead of time in case it gets passed & is in effect quicker than we can blink*.
Edited by ODST_Nick on Jan 18, 2012 at 08:52 PM


Mangenkyo
Joined: Jul 14, 2009

Yep!.. i know i'm in Space..


Posted: Jan 18, 2012 09:35 PM    Msg. 4 of 102       
dont worry about that law.. even Obama disagree that law..


Spartan314
Joined: Aug 21, 2010

Former biped rigger & FP animator


Posted: Jan 18, 2012 09:39 PM    Msg. 5 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: Mangenkyo
dont worry about that law.. even Obama disagree that law..

Obama has lost his touch.


Spartan_094
Joined: Jan 8, 2008


Posted: Jan 18, 2012 09:42 PM    Msg. 6 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: Mangenkyo
dont worry about that law.. even Obama disagree that law..

Wonder what happened to NDAA? Eh?


Mushi
Joined: Jul 21, 2007

Halo's Ring is just, Awesome.


Posted: Jan 18, 2012 11:13 PM    Msg. 7 of 102       
Even I lost my hopes for that guy......dang im..


TM_updates
Joined: Aug 31, 2011

Superior to you, Superior Musclez near Brussels


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 12:33 AM    Msg. 8 of 102       
Don't worry guys, SOFA's chances of passing are slim to none.


Xoronatus
Joined: Dec 6, 2010

Taking a break


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 01:12 AM    Msg. 9 of 102       
Yeah, there's a huge deal about it on Youtube. All the fuss makes you think that it will pass, but powerful companies like Google are opposing it, I just signed a petition against it, several Congress members drew off their support for it, it's going to be alright I think. :)


Jaz
Joined: Mar 21, 2010

[Insert sarcastic comment here]


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 01:48 AM    Msg. 10 of 102       
Well, if it only did what it's supposed to do according to it's name, we wouldn't have this annoying situation with all of you complaining about powers that the police will never actually use/abuse.

What powers do the police get other than the power to 'Stop Online Piracy' in this act anyway?


UnevenElefant5
Joined: May 3, 2008

she/her this fag bashes back


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 10:06 AM    Msg. 11 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: Spartan_094
Quote: --- Original message by: Mangenkyo
dont worry about that law.. even Obama disagree that law..

Wonder what happened to NDAA? Eh?

Seriously this. It blows my mind that Obama takes a stand against internet censorship, but backs down from his stand against the indefinite detention of American citizens in a military prison without cause, trial, or access to a lawyer.


Dennis

Joined: Jan 27, 2005

"We are made of starstuff. ― Carl Sagan


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 11:47 AM    Msg. 12 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jaz
Well, if it only did what it's supposed to do according to it's name, we wouldn't have this annoying situation with all of you complaining about powers that the police will never actually use/abuse.
What the proposed bill does is shift the responsibility of protecting copyrights from the copyright owner to the provider. In essence making the website owner responsible for the infractions of of others. If either of those bills passed I would have to close the websites. For example I would not be able to accept a Zip or RAR file from anyone without proof that you have purchased and licensed the software you used to create it. I would not be able to post the maps without proof that you have permission from Microsoft. If I posted it I would be libel for your copyright infraction. If you posted a link in our forums linking to a site that contained something that violated the bill I would also be responsible. It was not intended that way but it is the result of the law of unintended consequences.


bourrin33
Joined: Oct 19, 2009

HEK not installed tho


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 11:53 AM    Msg. 13 of 102       
I'm quite sure thats not an international law...


Dennis

Joined: Jan 27, 2005

"We are made of starstuff. ― Carl Sagan


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 12:04 PM    Msg. 14 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: bourrin33
I'm quite sure thats not an international law...
Of course not, it is a proposed bill in the US congress but it was intended to prevent the copyright violations of international (non-US) organisations. It makes the service providers directly responsible for the transmission over the net and has the unintended effect of stifling free speech in the US.


Spartan314
Joined: Aug 21, 2010

Former biped rigger & FP animator


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 03:12 PM    Msg. 15 of 102       
This isn't the same America we knew 6 years ago...


Mushi
Joined: Jul 21, 2007

Halo's Ring is just, Awesome.


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 06:32 PM    Msg. 16 of 102       
R.I.P Megaupload, it's now closed forever T.T


Higuy
Joined: Mar 6, 2007

@lucasgovatos


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 06:49 PM    Msg. 17 of 102       
I did an essay on both sides of this, why it should be done, and why it shouldnt be done. After lots of research, both have valid points somewhat, and while the bill intends to do good (somewhat), the effects it have would decimate the internet forever, and it would also effect freedom of speech. Not directly, but lots of forums like these would have to be closed, similar to some of the points that Dennis said. If not, a lot of people would be in trouble.

The chances of it actually passing are also really slim, the people that want this done are mostly music/movie producers etc that want every single penny they can get out of the consumers.


anonymous_2009
Joined: Jun 13, 2009


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 07:01 PM    Msg. 18 of 102       
I'm sorry, but I highly doubt the bill will pass.. :/


Jesse
Joined: Jan 18, 2009

Discord: Holy Crust#4500


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 07:05 PM    Msg. 19 of 102       
I'm sure I know, but where do you stand on this whole thing Dennis.


Dennis

Joined: Jan 27, 2005

"We are made of starstuff. ― Carl Sagan


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 07:19 PM    Msg. 20 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jesse
I'm sure I know, but where do you stand on this whole thing Dennis.

{flip answer deleted}

Sorry I read the question incorrectly because there wasn't one (?) that is.

The copyright laws have real value in the US as they protect intellectual rights and economic viability of the creators or copyright holders. One of the reasons I don't host Halo PC modded maps is because they violate the original copyright and End User License agreement. I am sure that I could without much recrimination but the fact is they are in violation of the copyright so I don't. Another example is that I don't host any utility that cracks or modifies the Halo Custom Edition executable like the version changer and some other hacks because they violate the EULA and copyright where the custom maps for the most part do not. I walk the line with things like the Sonic or the Metroid maps or where people have put in copyrighted assets or images into the maps because they are in the grey area of fair use. Even Kornman's hacked utilities are actually a violation but again since there is an argument for fair use and they are only used for making maps I don't have an issue with them.

The SOPA and PIPA bills take copyright violations out of the civil realm and make it criminal with direct governmental intervention mandatory giving the government the power and actually the requirement to censor "violating" websites by forcing the service providers to deny service to any copyright violation regardless of the copyright holders wishes.

What I mean by the last statement is that even if the copyright holder doesn't care about the violation the bill in essence makes it criminal anyway. Right now copyright violations are civil law not criminal (only becoming criminal when costs become high) and it is up to the copyright holder to make a civil claim to shut down a website. Under the proposed bills the government can and must take action. which is very different that could and might take action.

As I said in a previous post I would not be able to insure compliance so would have to take down the websites. There are costs associated to free speech, hearing and having to allow speech you don't like as only one of the minor ones, but the the cost of censorship regardless of how well intentioned is astronomical and unacceptable.
Edited by Dennis on Jan 19, 2012 at 07:50 PM


Xoronatus
Joined: Dec 6, 2010

Taking a break


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 07:22 PM    Msg. 21 of 102       
Megaupload is down, let's just hope they don't get Mediafire next..


Pepzee
Joined: Sep 9, 2010


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 07:29 PM    Msg. 22 of 102       
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NOTICE: Parts of this comment have been found in violation of H.R. 3261, S.O.P.A and Senate Bill 968, P.I.P.A. and has been censored.


All jokes aside, all I can do now is just hope it doesn't pass and move on.


anonymous_2009
Joined: Jun 13, 2009


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 08:07 PM    Msg. 23 of 102       
Aha, i can also see every hacker in the world getting annoyed at this. I'm sure attacks on large websites will happen because of this. This will be rather interesting.

http://gizmodo.com/5877679/anonymous-kills-department-of-justice-site-in-megaupload-revenge-strike


Jesse
Joined: Jan 18, 2009

Discord: Holy Crust#4500


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 10:33 PM    Msg. 24 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: Dennis

Quote: --- Original message by: Jesse
I'm sure I know, but where do you stand on this whole thing Dennis.

{flip answer deleted}

Sorry I read the question incorrectly because there wasn't one (?) that is.


Sorry, I typed that post using an iPod.


Dennis

Joined: Jan 27, 2005

"We are made of starstuff. ― Carl Sagan


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 11:09 PM    Msg. 25 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jesse
Sorry, I typed that post using an iPod.
It's all good.


eliteslasher
Joined: Jun 30, 2008

Crysis 3!!!!!!! All I have to say. :D


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 11:28 PM    Msg. 26 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: goldkilla88
Long story short: Congress is saying "Oh, this violates the bill of rights!! LETS ACCEPT IT ANYWAY AND KILL THE INTERNET!"


It won't pass. Those congressmen like their paychecks... and "alive" status


LegionofShadows
Joined: Jul 10, 2011

The Red Pill is strong in this one.


Posted: Jan 19, 2012 11:34 PM    Msg. 27 of 102       
Even if it does pass, it'll only stay a few days. The amount of dead Feds on the doorstep of congress will make them reconsider.

That, and the threat of World War 3-Revenge of the Halomaps


Jaz
Joined: Mar 21, 2010

[Insert sarcastic comment here]


Posted: Jan 20, 2012 12:54 PM    Msg. 28 of 102       
If it passes, Anonymous will hack the Pentagon and activate every single nuclear bomb the US has, causing World War 3, obliterating the entire of the US... plus any other country that supports SOPA.


Nickster5000
Joined: Dec 11, 2010


Posted: Jan 20, 2012 01:06 PM    Msg. 29 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jaz
If it passes, Anonymous will hack the Pentagon and activate every single nuclear bomb the US has, causing World War 3, obliterating the entire of the US... plus any other country that supports SOPA.


Please dont scare me

kthxbai


Maniac1000
-Helpful Poster-
Joined: Feb 24, 2007


Posted: Jan 20, 2012 01:08 PM    Msg. 30 of 102       
What makes me sad is the fact that this is being done because of the music and movie industry.
Not to keep the internets a safe place for my children, but solely to protect the profits of big business.


Nickster5000
Joined: Dec 11, 2010


Posted: Jan 20, 2012 01:18 PM    Msg. 31 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: Maniac1000
What makes me sad is the fact that this is being done because of the music and movie industry.
Not to keep the internets a safe place for my children, but solely to protect the profits of big business.


Fat egocentric -holes care only for themselves; they could care less about our generation who's going to be protecting this planet in the future.


Nickster5000
Joined: Dec 11, 2010


Posted: Jan 20, 2012 01:41 PM    Msg. 32 of 102       
But Halo is copyrighted by 343i & Microsoft.

So like he said above, you would need permission from them to use their content. (He explained it better above)

Halomaps would be gone in a flash if they passed.


Jaz
Joined: Mar 21, 2010

[Insert sarcastic comment here]


Posted: Jan 20, 2012 02:01 PM    Msg. 33 of 102       
I don't see why Halomaps would be taken down. Microsoft supports Halo fan sites and Halomaps is effectively a fan site. If the government tried to take Halomaps out, Microsoft would probably intervene in order to gain public attention. Their marketing team has brains, believe it or not.


Bobblehob
Joined: Aug 29, 2010


Posted: Jan 20, 2012 02:04 PM    Msg. 34 of 102       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jaz
I don't see why Halomaps would be taken down. Microsoft supports Halo fan sites and Halomaps is effectively a fan site. If the government tried to take Halomaps out, Microsoft would probably intervene in order to gain public attention. Their marketing team has brains, believe it or not.


So... you don't believe what Dennis says about the site that he owns?


Maniac1000
-Helpful Poster-
Joined: Feb 24, 2007


Posted: Jan 20, 2012 02:09 PM    Msg. 35 of 102       
You guys who are thinking that the American government is going to shut down these sites are wrong.
Most of them (including this site) will be shutdown by their owner.

 
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