Seriously if your that hung up about Blood gulch mods, DONT PLAY THEM. I seriously dont understand what the deal is here. There will be a person who makes blood gulch mods no matter what if a map is protected or not.

My first map was a blood gulch mod, and look were I am now.

darkness samurai, you arent the first to be able bypass the protection. It has been worked out in the past and the programmer, on advice from the rest of the community - decided not to release the app.

The problem you have is even with the majority of people saying "yeah sure let people rip", even if one person says they wish for their content to be protected then you are breaking the trust of that one person.

Jaz, What an ignorant thing to say, you've only learn everything you know from someone stealing? How do you think the original tag creators worked out all this stuff? How was Halo originally modded? People took the time into discovering how Halo worked, they didnt rip any content. They worked at dicesting Halo and modifying the maps.

Personally I feel the app shouldnt be released, it will cause more harm than good and I really dont think people will genuinely learn how to make new tags by gaining access to ripped tags.

My point isn't about bloodgulch. It's that a lot of the rippers actually don't learn, and will just rip and don't care about the guy that actually took time to create the tags.

I just found the most retarded thread in existence.

It isn't stealing. It's bypassing.

All mods are legally Microsoft's property. Get over it.

I am against releasing rips without the creator's permission, but ripped content can be very helpful in teaching new modders.

And those people who worked at disecting Halo were already professional modders who probably learned to mod through other means at the time. No newbie to modding could look at the game scripts and check out maps and just somehow work it all out.

And those people who worked at disecting Halo were already professional modders who probably learned to mod through other means at the time. No newbie to modding could look at the game scripts and check out maps and just somehow work it all out.

Please dont assume. Considering you werent around then, and I was and I spoke to them on a regular basis - I'd say I'm more than 'qualified' to say it how it is.

You do realise, no game is exactly the same? To mod Halo you'd still need to learn everything about Halo, even if you were a master at modding other games (which by the way, most of them weren't). People still had to work out how the map file structure worked in Halo.

If its Microsoft's property, that just means you are stealing from them...Is it your write to own those tags that were compiled and protected by another map maker?
Edited by Limited on Apr 28, 2012 at 08:49 PM

There will be those people but think about it like this - half the time when content that anyone wants to rip is put into CE, its from a whole different game so technically it isnt even the "original" authors work. Either way, it dosent matter. The game is supposed to be fun and creative, leave it that way and let people have fun with it.

Precisely the game is suppose to be fun and creative. If people are using the same tags in everything then that becomes boring and stale. We want people to be innovative and to produce rich content. Reusing tags over and over will not give us that.

It causes zero harm other than a few broken egos. Release it, more people will benefit from it than egos will be broken.

Like TM_updates said, it causes no harm other than "a few broken egos". If you dont want your content used, dont release it. Someones bound to use it eventually if its good anyway. And when I said fun and creative, I meant for the people themselves to have fun when making stuff. Even if its ripped content it encourages creativity in other ways such as level design or making new tags. And what about the people that want tags as references, such as me and others? I've used countless tags in the past created by others to figure out how people have done certain things within them.

I think the app should be released to trusted people.

I think it would bad on uncomplete maps, cause maybe the person worked hard and just putting out a beta/alpha to see reaction so he can fix/add things then release it. I only have a problem with ripping is people getting files from a incomplete map or taking files and taking all right. (Sphinxebo)

choclate_thunda is right, is in those kind of cases where ripping tags from protected maps gets annoying, but anyway, if OP got a tool to rip all that go ahead and release it, i've never ripped tags, i haven't even try (except when i was testing how good the protection in 'Revelations' was) but i might give it a try and rip some nice tags from some map, there are few objects/weapons/vehicles i'd love to have
Edited by ChBgt909 on Apr 29, 2012 at 02:10 PM

But that isn't no harm. Theres 2 parties involved in ripping, the original creator and the ripper. So thats 50% harm straight away. Its not about anyones ego, its about their wishes to keep their work protected and not shared around. No one in the community should say that its alright for someone elses content to be shared, only the original creator.

If you dont want your content used, dont release it? Thats a stupid mentality. Releasing a map allows players to play the map. Having fun in-game and fully enjoying the persons work. They didnt release the map to allow others to crack open the case and take out the goodies inside.

But the fact remains, if you release your assets, they will be ripped.
So its better just to deal with it.

It is all about ego. It comes forth from some strange ideal that only the original creator may decide who gets to use his tags and how. That's pure ego. There is no way around it.

I still think that the app should only be distributed to trusted individuals.

I like to release content. It's just releasing the content to an acceptable standard that's the problem.

release the tags in a thread when you release your map then if you don't want anyone to rip from it.
anyway communities this small should all share among everyone when they finish something,
or just don't have the time to finish it.

also take a look at the things alot of the guys on this forum release, some of it ripped but still
used by and appreciated by the rest of us. ripped or not they still have to work with the rip to
make it look good.
so basically the problem shouldn't be with ripping because it feeds the community,
as there is a lack of new stuff being made anyway.
also for example (animators) how many of them work with weapons that were modeled?
most were ripped from games.
this whole ripping argument just makes me laugh, come guys, are you seriously going to care about a digital item that you can not properly own.
last comment from me in a ripping thread :)

My point is that if you dont release it then you wont be stuck up about it being ripped. If you release it, its bound to be ripped in some way, shape, and or form. Thousands of people download these maps, 1 of them will want it for something.

Oh the drama. Look people the issue is already settled and was long before you were twinkles in your mothers eye. Their are only two ways to protect intellectual property: Don't give it to anyone or via Copyright. Since you can't copyright anything that looks like, derives from or is made for or from or the Halo game then your only option left is to not give it to anyone. This is the nature of fan based creations. The rest of the arguments are moot.

Well,that would be true but we'll never get content from stingy,skilled people.
Edited by Dumb AI on Apr 30, 2012 at 09:01 PM

And that's a problem because?

You could always make something that requires whatever asset the person has that you want and then politely ask for it?

314,the problem is:"We get less well-made content"
Simple as that.
Edited by Dumb AI on May 1, 2012 at 09:33 PM

But it doesn't matter because everyone here has the potential to make something just as good.

OP if you got a tool to unprotect maps upload it plz ;D
i want to extract some tags from precipice and one of gaigher's maps

He's not a troll, my fellow comrade, do not address him as a troll; That insults Troll-Kind and therefore I think you should re-phrase that. I mean i take that as an extremely offensive insult to my internet-race...


Oh, oui, *points to avatar quote on the left*, that also explains the rest.
Edited by Sciophobiaranger on May 2, 2012 at 11:07 PM

Thats pretty clever.
I actually laughed out loud.

The irony is that the actual master baiter is l28.

lol. I see what you did there.



I don't consider throwing together tags from a bunch of random maps "well-made". Yes having some overpowered super vehicle or weapon is fun but if that's all that makes it fun it's not well-made now is it?

You missed the concept completely. You can't protect content you make for Halo because the intellectual Property is not yours to begin with. There is nothing to stop people from "ripping" the content you make for Halo because there is no copyright protection for the user made content and without a copyright you have no legal or practical means to enforce your wishes for that content. That is as simple as I can explain in practical terms. To use an analogy closer to your current experience: These (Halo video game) are not your toys they belong to Microsoft and they just let you play with them.

It's been 8 days now. Release or just Don't release. That simple....

What content in the world do you think I'm talking about?! Certainly not maps like [btm]bloodgulch or Super Toy Gulch.
Edited by Dumb AI on May 3, 2012 at 11:15 AM