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bourrin33
Joined: Oct 19, 2009

HEK not installed tho


Posted: May 28, 2013 08:28 AM    Msg. 1 of 38       
CMT yelo T&R
http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=6273
Foundry
http://hce.halomaps.org/index.cfm?fid=6677
And more maps i couldnt look for because I was too lazy
And some of my tags have been heavily underrated when they were out (after hitting a too high rate)

Otherwise more maps by "kLENZO" seems over rated, and many more. Lumoria also knew a significant increase in it's rating, and I know people having a dumb behavior who could be implied in this.

The rating system is bad. It should be revised or changed, or limited to a certain identifiable group, or to people who have downloaded the maps only.
This is very annoying for the amount of effort and the quality put in the underrated might prevent if from being downloaded as it should and promote crap maps.

Dennis ?
Edited by bourrin33 on May 28, 2013 at 08:28 AM
Edited by bourrin33 on May 28, 2013 at 08:29 AM


Hobbet360
Joined: Jan 10, 2012

ProTools > ToolPro


Posted: May 28, 2013 08:35 AM    Msg. 2 of 38       
Quote: The rating system is bad. It should be revised or changed, or limited to a certain identifiable group, or to people who have downloaded the maps only.
This is very annoying for the amount of effort and the quality put in the underrated might prevent if from being downloaded as it should and promote crap maps.


Almighty Hobbet agrees. :P


StormUndBlackbird
Joined: Oct 27, 2011

https://youtube.com/StormUndBlackbird


Posted: May 28, 2013 08:41 AM    Msg. 3 of 38       
Maybe they rated SPv3 that way because some wouldn't want to read the description and didn't get to start it because of never hearing about Open Sauce.

As for Foundry's case, it may be so that those people thought that they could download it and play it on the servers hosting Foundry, but were unable to (I'm having the same problem for example).


Jesse
Joined: Jan 18, 2009

Discord: Holy Crust#4500


Posted: May 28, 2013 08:42 AM    Msg. 4 of 38       
Nah, all my best friends on the PC voted it down.


Hobbet360
Joined: Jan 10, 2012

ProTools > ToolPro


Posted: May 28, 2013 08:47 AM    Msg. 5 of 38       
I voted 8 or 9 for foundry (and the same for CMTlotsofletters) I can't remember... (I am nice, it seems)


bourrin33
Joined: Oct 19, 2009

HEK not installed tho


Posted: May 28, 2013 09:11 AM    Msg. 6 of 38       
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Maybe they rated SPv3 that way because some wouldn't want to read the description and didn't get to start it because of never hearing about Open Sauce.

As for Foundry's case, it may be so that those people thought that they could download it and play it on the servers hosting Foundry, but were unable to (I'm having the same problem for example).


Why was it rated good before then ?
We should have statistics to see how people rated it with time. Like an average of the rating for each day, in that case, if someone keeps spamming 0's and 1's in a day it will appear obvious.
the rating could be automatically given by the average daily rating for days that doesnt see an exterior/unwanted influence leaving the usual rating.


GLaDOS
Joined: Dec 6, 2011

Testing you.


Posted: May 28, 2013 10:20 AM    Msg. 7 of 38       
Why are you taking the rating system so seriously?
It has been known since forever that this "system" doesn't reflect at all the quality content of maps/tags/models/others..

You can suggest a new way to rate the work of others.. But this kind of problem will always exists..


bourrin33
Joined: Oct 19, 2009

HEK not installed tho


Posted: May 28, 2013 11:07 AM    Msg. 8 of 38       
Actually the new way resides in the Halomaps updates giving a view of what just came, but it needs more advertising *COUGH DENNIS*, and featured maps help, but just for a short amount of time. As they dont get many downloads, I can't see how people can find them as we can find Coldsnap or Extinction, which are boring maps to me and not designed fairly.

Something like classing featured by month. I dont know. I think the rating could represent something if with better rules.

I think the best idea would be having to put rating along with a comment.
Justifying + helping others to find out what's in the map before downloading it.
Edited by bourrin33 on May 28, 2013 at 11:07 AM


Dennis

Joined: Jan 27, 2005

"We are made of starstuff. ― Carl Sagan


Posted: May 28, 2013 11:29 AM    Msg. 9 of 38       
User ratings rely on anonymous user input therefore they are only as good as the people that supply them. I do not review each and every user rating nor will I as the time required is not available in a day. In the case of Foundry it is easy to see why people have rated it so badly since one of the members of the map team took it upon himself to post a slew of graphic pornography in an attempt to deface the forum just days before the map was released. I have reset the ratings on that map.


WWLinkMasterX
Joined: Mar 29, 2009

subliminal message.


Posted: May 28, 2013 11:45 AM    Msg. 10 of 38       
1) No one here with the experience to give accurate ratings takes the rating system seriously.

2) Because no one cares, updating/modifying the system would cost time and energy (=money), and thus probably not be pursued.

3) IF Dennis decides to update the rating system someday, I would like to suggest that the best way to alleviate the current issues is to modify the system so that you have to log in with your forum id to vote, once. To prevent/counter people from spamming, make it so that votes are weighted based on an account's 'experience,' based on something like their post-count. Or better yet, implement a rating system in which forum users can up or down-vote their peer's posts and/or overall account, thus accumulating "tenure" (votes given) and/or "respect" (positive votes given (up/down vote ratio).

Also, make it so that new accounts can't vote until after a set numbers of days, just like pictures and links on the forum.


darksoldier
Joined: Dec 28, 2010

Helo my friend, it's time to fight ;)


Posted: May 28, 2013 01:39 PM    Msg. 11 of 38       
Rating is not important. In reality that's sucks, it's a game, not a chalenge for know who is the better guys. Delete it that's all.
Edited by darksoldier on May 28, 2013 at 02:11 PM


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

HaloCE3.com MattDratt.com


Posted: May 28, 2013 02:02 PM    Msg. 12 of 38       
Don't comment on Lumoria's rating, it's just now the rating it deserves :D


bourrin33
Joined: Oct 19, 2009

HEK not installed tho


Posted: May 28, 2013 02:14 PM    Msg. 13 of 38       
It had, and it's nothing about who is the best. Then delete the notes system if it's not reliable, I dont see why it exists


OrangeJuice
Joined: Jan 29, 2009

"especially not the so called 'helpful' types."


Posted: May 28, 2013 02:49 PM    Msg. 14 of 38       
Or instead of being retarded and using either 10 or 1 to vote, people should actually vote accurately. That way when some oaf adds another 1 or 10 to that rating, the overall map rating doesn't immediately jump from like... 6 to 2 or 4 to 9.


Echo77
Joined: Jul 20, 2010

Humble thyself and hold thy tongue.


Posted: May 28, 2013 03:21 PM    Msg. 15 of 38       
Quote: --- Original message by: Tiel
Does everything on the site currently start with a 0 when uploaded, or what?

I don't think anything gets a score until someone votes on it.


GLaDOS
Joined: Dec 6, 2011

Testing you.


Posted: May 28, 2013 05:29 PM    Msg. 16 of 38       
A perfect rating system would be one who needs you to sign in on your forum account to vote..
and then, you can see the list of people who voted and in that way, you could only see the rating of trustable people of this forum..

This current rating system is useless and i think it should be removed because it's clearly not working like it is supossed to be


Jaz
Joined: Mar 21, 2010

[Insert sarcastic comment here]


Posted: May 28, 2013 05:40 PM    Msg. 17 of 38       
There's no such thing as underrating or overrating.

Everybody has different tastes. There is no universal rating that a map 'should' have had.

So this whole debate is completely invalid.

Good day,
Jaz.


GLaDOS
Joined: Dec 6, 2011

Testing you.


Posted: May 28, 2013 06:21 PM    Msg. 18 of 38       
Quote: --- Original message by: Tiel
Everyone is entitled to their own tastes, yes, but one would think everyone has a sense of quality that the rating in question should rely on, not personal bias.

A 3.6 on SPV3 T&C, for example, seems more likely due to people with grievances against the creators than members expressing honest opinions concerning a great map.

There really isn't a way to stop that kind of thing short of requiring people to be logged in in order to rate, and even then it's not that difficult a task to create a halomaps account.

And that's where my idea of a list showing who voted solves the problem..


Storm
Joined: Dec 19, 2011

Send memes to www.loganpaul.com/cliffhanger


Posted: May 29, 2013 05:30 AM    Msg. 19 of 38       
Well, perhaps we could have three different ratings set out like this?

Moderator rating:

Member rating:

User rating:


The moderator rating is the rating that the moderator believes the map should be ranked. The member rating could be held about a week or so after the maps are released and the community votes one what they think the maps should be voted as. As for the user rating, it could remain the same way as it is now.

And with SPv3 T&C, personally, I believe it has low ratings because of the performance issues it has on a lot of computers. Not everyone owns an absolutely amazing and sexy gaming computer.


Link
Joined: Aug 31, 2008

Link here come to town!


Posted: May 29, 2013 07:33 AM    Msg. 20 of 38       
I was thinking of why not letting the members only who signed up for the forums can be the only ones who are allowed to rate the maps? That will keep away from the troll ratings..


GLaDOS
Joined: Dec 6, 2011

Testing you.


Posted: May 29, 2013 07:45 AM    Msg. 21 of 38       
Quote: --- Original message by: Link
I was thinking of why not letting the members only who signed up for the forums can be the only ones who are allowed to rate the maps? That will keep away from the troll ratings..


Brilliant...


bourrin33
Joined: Oct 19, 2009

HEK not installed tho


Posted: May 29, 2013 09:25 AM    Msg. 22 of 38       
I checked the rating regulary because I was suspecting, and Lumoria and CMT knew only a harsh variaton of rating in a short amount of time. It' is not explained by personal tastes.

Or explain me why so much in a single week then


ELVEVERX
Joined: Oct 5, 2012

For the great journey


Posted: May 29, 2013 09:34 AM    Msg. 23 of 38       
Why did foundry go down even further? dennis should get a rating and so should forum members because i just feel like this user rating thing is pointless with foundry at the bottom and extinction at the top


OrangeJuice
Joined: Jan 29, 2009

"especially not the so called 'helpful' types."


Posted: May 29, 2013 02:53 PM    Msg. 24 of 38       
Quote: --- Original message by: Link
I was thinking of why not letting the members only who signed up for the forums can be the only ones who are allowed to rate the maps? That will keep away from the troll ratings..


Because it would prolly end up like the other forum. Where only maps created by the actual users end up with the highest ratings?
Edited by OrangeJuice on May 29, 2013 at 02:53 PM


Link
Joined: Aug 31, 2008

Link here come to town!


Posted: May 29, 2013 03:41 PM    Msg. 25 of 38       
Sign in to rate this map. <--- Simple as that. A single user account can vote only once for a certain map. That will keep away from the trolls using proxy IP addresses to spam the map to its lowest possible rating.


OrangeJuice
Joined: Jan 29, 2009

"especially not the so called 'helpful' types."


Posted: May 29, 2013 03:57 PM    Msg. 26 of 38       
lol, people should tech demo their maps more often. Then CE3 would flourish, making general public map ratings superfluous therefore saving dennis an all-nighter from revising the ratings system
Edited by OrangeJuice on May 29, 2013 at 04:00 PM


bourrin33
Joined: Oct 19, 2009

HEK not installed tho


Posted: May 29, 2013 06:11 PM    Msg. 27 of 38       
Quote: --- Original message by: Thorolf Kveldulfsson
Quote: --- Original message by: bourrin33

And some of my tags have been heavily underrated when they were out (after hitting a too high rate)

I can only find three of your tag releases. Two of which have a rating of 8 or higher. The third does not have enough ratings. How exactly are they "heavily underrated"?


Had 10 before going to 5 and 4 on some tags. People get mad.

On my side, adding (verified) comments along with rating seems to be the best way.

I dont see anyone a little intelligent rating
0 : IT SUCKS LOL

More likely :
8 : good graphics but not really balanced gameplay
No need to login and spam easily detectable, + it's hard to underrate because giving a bad rates would come along with comments like : Unplayable, not balanced and ugly ports
Edited by bourrin33 on May 29, 2013 at 06:12 PM


Black Crypt
Joined: Jun 30, 2008

Xfire : blackcrypt


Posted: May 29, 2013 08:56 PM    Msg. 28 of 38       
For Dennis to rate a map he would surely have to play it on at least the main gametypes. I don't see him having time for this. I know I wouldn't.


Higuy
Joined: Mar 6, 2007

@lucasgovatos


Posted: May 29, 2013 09:27 PM    Msg. 29 of 38       
The rating system on this website has always been a joke. Never take it seriously. Moddb has a much better rating system I believe, where users can give a ratings and also post reviews along with them, where other users can +1 and -1 to agree with the reviews. A simple 1 - 10 never really works well, and thats where the forum comes into play... not to mention, actually trying the maps yourself and seeing what you think. I have found plenty of pretty cool maps on this website back in the day when I use to have a server, a lot of them having low ratings but ended up being pretty fun gameplay wise.


bourrin33
Joined: Oct 19, 2009

HEK not installed tho


Posted: May 30, 2013 06:08 PM    Msg. 30 of 38       
Lumoria A and B : 9.9

Suuuuuure. With the amount of people rating it as it was before (8.5) I think this must have needed a lot of 10's to reach this. And jump from 9.3 to 9.7 in a few days
Edited by bourrin33 on May 30, 2013 at 06:08 PM


bourrin33
Joined: Oct 19, 2009

HEK not installed tho


Posted: May 30, 2013 06:29 PM    Msg. 31 of 38       
Seeing how Lodex acts fine, I think anyone could give the idea to feign being him.
Not aiming anyone in particular but some people just want to ... be annoying see halomaps burning.
Edited by bourrin33 on May 30, 2013 at 06:30 PM


1bobsam1
Joined: Mar 18, 2010

I win. You lose.


Posted: May 30, 2013 07:38 PM    Msg. 32 of 38       
I instantly vote a 10 on any map that I enjoy.

Foundry got a 10, Slappy's Valhalla got a 10.

I do not understand why these maps are lowly rated.


OrangeJuice
Joined: Jan 29, 2009

"especially not the so called 'helpful' types."


Posted: May 30, 2013 07:42 PM    Msg. 33 of 38       
If the voting system really runs on an average, then there simply isn't enough people voting on the maps.

That's how you get things like this:

2 voters: 1 ten and 1 zero equals a rating of five

3 voters:2 tens and 1 zero equals a rating of about 6.6?

but if you were to have 50 or 100 voters, you'd get an even more accurate rating.

There really needs to be an extra line there that tells you how many people actually voted<
Edited by OrangeJuice on May 30, 2013 at 07:43 PM


Higuy
Joined: Mar 6, 2007

@lucasgovatos


Posted: May 30, 2013 08:57 PM    Msg. 34 of 38       
Quote: --- Original message by: bourrin33

Lumoria A and B : 9.9

Suuuuuure. With the amount of people rating it as it was before (8.5) I think this must have needed a lot of 10's to reach this. And jump from 9.3 to 9.7 in a few days
Edited by bourrin33 on May 30, 2013 at 06:08 PM


Thats why I said it was a joke. Quite honestly I think a 8.5 ~ 9.0 is a decent and fair rating for Lumoria, but anything higher than a 9.0 is simply not right.

I can also reassure you that I could quite honestly care less about what its rated, along with any other map of mine. I know what is quality and what is not and besides, both Lodex and I are done with Halo map making and have since moved onto more promising future projects.


Guilty_spark
Joined: Dec 8, 2011

enjoy my bright, blue, balls!


Posted: May 30, 2013 09:40 PM    Msg. 35 of 38       
Quote: --- Original message by: OrangeJuice
There really needs to be an extra line there that tells you how many people actually voted<
Edited by OrangeJuice on May 30, 2013 at 07:43 PM

 
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