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X12_1992
Joined: Nov 20, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 10:30 AM    Msg. 1 of 89       
I noticed when using the new Universal UI that theres no easy option for the CMT campaign. I also noticed that the Normal option uses the Easy logo.


Danger_zone_98
Joined: Nov 26, 2012


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 12:57 PM    Msg. 2 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
I noticed when using the new Universal UI that theres no easy option for the CMT campaign. I also noticed that the Normal option uses the Easy logo.

There is now a "Noble" difficulty, so that is intented. Who plays on easy anyways?


Spartan314
Joined: Aug 21, 2010

Former biped rigger & FP animator


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 01:56 PM    Msg. 3 of 89       
The bar has moved up buddy.
A difficulty higher than legendary: Noble.
Legendary is how the game was meant to be played, and people hardly played on easy anyway so...


Echo77
Joined: Jul 20, 2010

Humble thyself and hold thy tongue.


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 02:08 PM    Msg. 4 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: Spartan314
The bar has moved up buddy.
A difficulty higher than legendary: Noble.
Legendary is how the game was meant to be played, and people hardly played on easy anyway so...

"Fight against formidable foes that will truly test your skill and wits; this is the way Halo is meant to be played."


X12_1992
Joined: Nov 20, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 02:24 PM    Msg. 5 of 89       
You didnt answer my question about Normal still having the Easy shield.

Heres what i mean, normally its this: No Swords (Easy), Sword (Normal), Two Swords (Heroic), Elite Skull and Two Swords (Legendary)

But instead for CMT SPV2 its this: No Swords (Normal), Two Swords (Heroic), Elite Skull and Two Swords (Legendary), Mrk V and Two Swords (Noble).

Do you see the problem? It skips the one sword thing. If you arent gonna have Easy, have the right Normal logo.

...and come to think of it shouldnt the difficulty past Legendary be called "Mythic"
Edited by X12_1992 on Nov 20, 2014 at 02:25 PM


Pepzee
Joined: Sep 9, 2010


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 02:55 PM    Msg. 6 of 89       
Before going in-game type into the console...

(game_difficulty_set easy)

That would be one way to play on easy, I have no idea if that would work though...


X12_1992
Joined: Nov 20, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 03:01 PM    Msg. 7 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: Pepzee
Before going in-game type into the console...

(game_difficulty_set easy)

That would be one way to play on easy, I have no idea if that would work though...


I think you guys are missing my point. read my last post.


bourrin33
Joined: Oct 19, 2009

HEK not installed tho


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 03:52 PM    Msg. 8 of 89       
From the wikipedia :
The French players of Halo often call it "crest mode"; in French, crest is translated as érétique and is a similar adjective to Heroic.

This is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge lie.

Oh and he just means that the icon used is the one from the easy icon instead of Normal as it should have been. It should have been 1 machete
Edited by bourrin33 on Nov 20, 2014 at 03:54 PM


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

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Posted: Nov 20, 2014 04:46 PM    Msg. 9 of 89       
Well according to Masterz, Legendary is how you should play Halo, so I don't see why Legenday = normal, noble = heroic, and then an even harder one for what would have been legendary


X12_1992
Joined: Nov 20, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 05:18 PM    Msg. 10 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Well according to Masterz, Legendary is how you should play Halo, so I don't see why Legenday = normal, noble = heroic, and then an even harder one for what would have been legendary


Once again i think people are missing my point.

THE "NORMAL" DIFFICULTY LOGO IS WRONG


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

TAKEDOWN IS OUT MattDratt.com


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 05:31 PM    Msg. 11 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Well according to Masterz, Legendary is how you should play Halo, so I don't see why Legenday = normal, noble = heroic, and then an even harder one for what would have been legendary


Once again i think people are missing my point.

THE "NORMAL" DIFFICULTY LOGO IS WRONG


Game ruining

edit: looking at it, it seems like thats on purpose
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 05:32 PM


not giraffe
Joined: Jul 17, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 05:32 PM    Msg. 12 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Well according to Masterz, Legendary is how you should play Halo, so I don't see why Legenday = normal, noble = heroic, and then an even harder one for what would have been legendary


Once again i think people are missing my point.

THE "NORMAL" DIFFICULTY LOGO IS WRONG



X12_1992
Joined: Nov 20, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 05:53 PM    Msg. 13 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt

Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Well according to Masterz, Legendary is how you should play Halo, so I don't see why Legenday = normal, noble = heroic, and then an even harder one for what would have been legendary


Once again i think people are missing my point.

THE "NORMAL" DIFFICULTY LOGO IS WRONG


Game ruining

edit: looking at it, it seems like thats on purpose
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 05:32 PM


How is it on purpose? It seems like a huge error, if its normal, use the normal logo. And its not game ruining, but its pretty annoying. I mean, why would they use the easy logo for the normal difficulty, yet still use the heroic logo for heroic difficulty. makes no sense. why would you skip from no swords to two swords.
Edited by X12_1992 on Nov 20, 2014 at 05:55 PM


YSlayer12
Joined: Aug 31, 2014

"We are made of MLG Qwikscopes"


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 06:22 PM    Msg. 14 of 89       
I agree, with the mythic thing, Secondly Masterz said normal is like easy anyways.


Masters1337
Joined: Mar 5, 2006

halonaminator's unfortunate idol


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 06:32 PM    Msg. 15 of 89       
For SPV3, the easy difficulty has been repurposed into the new Noble difficulty. We chose not to call it Mythic since Mythic is what people have come to call Legendary with all the skulls on, and that's not how our new difficulty is.

As far as the logos go, it was decided to use the shield with no swords on it for normal, with both swords on it for heroic, then the skull and swords for Legendary. Is there a good reason for this? Not really, I just think it looks better to have each one be symmetrical.

Edit: Using console to set the map to easy will just result in the Noble multipliers being applied.
Edited by Masters1337 on Nov 20, 2014 at 06:33 PM


X12_1992
Joined: Nov 20, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 06:45 PM    Msg. 16 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: Masters1337

For SPV3, the easy difficulty has been repurposed into the new Noble difficulty. We chose not to call it Mythic since Mythic is what people have come to call Legendary with all the skulls on, and that's not how our new difficulty is.

As far as the logos go, it was decided to use the shield with no swords on it for normal, with both swords on it for heroic, then the skull and swords for Legendary. Is there a good reason for this? Not really, I just think it looks better to have each one be symmetrical.

Edit: Using console to set the map to easy will just result in the Noble multipliers being applied.
Edited by Masters1337 on Nov 20, 2014 at 06:33 PM


Oh, ok. not sure it makes much sense but ok. Perhaps make your own custom difficulty logos for CMT? Because i thought by looks alone Noble would be harder than Legendary.


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

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Posted: Nov 20, 2014 06:48 PM    Msg. 17 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: Masters1337

For SPV3, the easy difficulty has been repurposed into the new Noble difficulty. We chose not to call it Mythic since Mythic is what people have come to call Legendary with all the skulls on, and that's not how our new difficulty is.

As far as the logos go, it was decided to use the shield with no swords on it for normal, with both swords on it for heroic, then the skull and swords for Legendary. Is there a good reason for this? Not really, I just think it looks better to have each one be symmetrical.

Edit: Using console to set the map to easy will just result in the Noble multipliers being applied.
Edited by Masters1337 on Nov 20, 2014 at 06:33 PM


Oh, ok. not sure it makes much sense but ok. Perhaps make your own custom difficulty logos for CMT? Because i thought by looks alone Noble would be harder than Legendary.


Noble is harder than Legendary.


Danger_zone_98
Joined: Nov 26, 2012


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 06:56 PM    Msg. 18 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Noble is harder than Legendary.

Yes. "Noble" difficulty is in the "Easy" slot now, but that doesn't mean Noble is easy; it's the hardest difficulty.
Edited by Danger_zone_98 on Nov 20, 2014 at 06:57 PM


Echo77
Joined: Jul 20, 2010

Humble thyself and hold thy tongue.


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 07:11 PM    Msg. 19 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: Danger_zone_98

Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Noble is harder than Legendary.

Yes. "Noble" difficulty is in the "Easy" slot now, but that doesn't mean Noble is easy; it's the hardest difficulty.

Why not arrange them in order of increasing difficulty?


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

TAKEDOWN IS OUT MattDratt.com


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 07:21 PM    Msg. 20 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: Echo77
Quote: --- Original message by: Danger_zone_98

Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Noble is harder than Legendary.

Yes. "Noble" difficulty is in the "Easy" slot now, but that doesn't mean Noble is easy; it's the hardest difficulty.

Why not arrange them in order of increasing difficulty?

They are


Danger_zone_98
Joined: Nov 26, 2012


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 07:23 PM    Msg. 21 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: Echo77
Quote: --- Original message by: Danger_zone_98

Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Noble is harder than Legendary.

Yes. "Noble" difficulty is in the "Easy" slot now, but that doesn't mean Noble is easy; it's the hardest difficulty.

Why not arrange them in order of increasing difficulty?

I'm not sure, but thinking about it: There are 4 difficulties, you wanna remove 1 and add 1, why not use the free slot of that one that you wanna remove to put the new one there? If you would put "Noble" on "Legendary", then "Legendary" wouldn't be "Legendary", "Heroic" wouldn't be "Heroic" and so on.

And I'm assuming we're talking about the console command... and not about the UI.
Edited by Danger_zone_98 on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:25 PM


X12_1992
Joined: Nov 20, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 07:30 PM    Msg. 22 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: Danger_zone_98

Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Noble is harder than Legendary.

Yes. "Noble" difficulty is in the "Easy" slot now, but that doesn't mean Noble is easy; it's the hardest difficulty.
Edited by Danger_zone_98 on Nov 20, 2014 at 06:57 PM


You know, thats gonna be a rude awakening for anyone who trys to set console commands to have the difficulty on "easy". I think you should have done it this way:

set_difficulty easy = Normal difficulty

set_difficulty normal = Heroic difficulty

set_difficulty heroic = Legendary difficulty

set difficutly impossible = Noble difficulty.

Also something else is wrong with the universal ui, the CMT campaign menu doesnt work i have to use the classic campaign menu, which means i accidentally went to noble difficulty. BTW why isnt there any classic non changed campaign maps on Halo Maps? I kinda want to play the orginal campaign without having both Halo PC and Halo Custom Edition installed. I woudl like to easily access the original, unchanged campaign from the universal ui.
Edited by X12_1992 on Nov 20, 2014 at 08:13 PM


Echo77
Joined: Jul 20, 2010

Humble thyself and hold thy tongue.


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 07:35 PM    Msg. 23 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: Danger_zone_98

Quote: --- Original message by: Echo77
Quote: --- Original message by: Danger_zone_98

Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Noble is harder than Legendary.

Yes. "Noble" difficulty is in the "Easy" slot now, but that doesn't mean Noble is easy; it's the hardest difficulty.

Why not arrange them in order of increasing difficulty?

I'm not sure, but thinking about it: There are 4 difficulties, you wanna remove 1 and add 1, why not use the free slot of that one that you wanna remove to put the new one there? If you would put "Noble" on "Legendary", then "Legendary" wouldn't be "Legendary", "Heroic" wouldn't be "Heroic" and so on.

And I'm assuming we're talking about the console command... and not about the UI.
Edited by Danger_zone_98 on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:25 PM

I was referring to the UI, which, admittedly, I haven't seen yet, so I may be addressing a non-issue here.
Edited by Echo77 on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:37 PM


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

TAKEDOWN IS OUT MattDratt.com


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 07:51 PM    Msg. 24 of 89       


I don't know how else to spell it out for you

I feel like I'm being DSalied or Altherosed
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:53 PM


Echo77
Joined: Jul 20, 2010

Humble thyself and hold thy tongue.


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 08:02 PM    Msg. 25 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6240433/Temp/Halomaps/spv3.jpg

I don't know how else to spell it out for you

I feel like I'm being DSalied or Altherosed
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:53 PM

Ahh, it makes a bit more sense to see it. Emblem doesn't look half bad, but the tagline is a bit meh.


X12_1992
Joined: Nov 20, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 08:12 PM    Msg. 26 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6240433/Temp/Halomaps/spv3.jpg

I don't know how else to spell it out for you

I feel like I'm being DSalied or Altherosed
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:53 PM


Like i said in my last post, thats gonna be a rude awakening for anyone who tries to set difficulty to easy.


teh lag
Joined: May 6, 2008


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 08:18 PM    Msg. 27 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992

Like i said in my last post, thats gonna be a rude awakening for anyone who tries to set difficulty to easy.


it was more important to throw together some half-baked nonsense.
Edited by teh lag on Nov 20, 2014 at 08:18 PM


not giraffe
Joined: Jul 17, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 08:19 PM    Msg. 28 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6240433/Temp/Halomaps/spv3.jpg

I don't know how else to spell it out for you

I feel like I'm being DSalied or Altherosed
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:53 PM


Like i said in my last post, thats gonna be a rude awakening for anyone who tries to set difficulty to easy.

Maybe you should try reading the Noble description.


X12_1992
Joined: Nov 20, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 08:25 PM    Msg. 29 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: raffgie
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6240433/Temp/Halomaps/spv3.jpg

I don't know how else to spell it out for you

I feel like I'm being DSalied or Altherosed
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:53 PM


Like i said in my last post, thats gonna be a rude awakening for anyone who tries to set difficulty to easy.

Maybe you should try reading the Noble description.

someone who doesnt have the universal ui isnt gonna know that (which is why it think the map descirption for cmt spv3 maps on halo maps should atleast say "if you set difficulty to easy you will be playing the noble difficulty, be warned!"). and the description doesnt really tell much. unlike legendary which basically says "you gonna die"


Danger_zone_98
Joined: Nov 26, 2012


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 08:30 PM    Msg. 30 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: raffgie
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6240433/Temp/Halomaps/spv3.jpg

I don't know how else to spell it out for you

I feel like I'm being DSalied or Altherosed
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:53 PM


Like i said in my last post, thats gonna be a rude awakening for anyone who tries to set difficulty to easy.

Maybe you should try reading the Noble description.

someone who doesnt have the universal ui isnt gonna know that (which is why it think the map descirption for cmt spv3 maps on halo maps should atleast say "if you set difficulty to easy you will be playing the noble difficulty, be warned!"). and the description doesnt really tell much. unlike legendary which basically says "you gonna die"

Jesus, too much complaining for such a small thing.

CMT is gonna release some manuals alongside SPV3, and I'm sure they'll explain all of the things there. If people decide not to read 'em, it's their fault.


not giraffe
Joined: Jul 17, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 08:35 PM    Msg. 31 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: raffgie
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6240433/Temp/Halomaps/spv3.jpg

I don't know how else to spell it out for you

I feel like I'm being DSalied or Altherosed
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:53 PM


Like i said in my last post, thats gonna be a rude awakening for anyone who tries to set difficulty to easy.

Maybe you should try reading the Noble description.

someone who doesnt have the universal ui isnt gonna know that (which is why it think the map descirption for cmt spv3 maps on halo maps should atleast say "if you set difficulty to easy you will be playing the noble difficulty, be warned!"). and the description doesnt really tell much. unlike legendary which basically says "you gonna die"

The Noble difficulty is easy. READ. You must be a complete idiot if you think reading "your enemies number few" means that the difficulty is hard.

Edited by raffgie on Nov 20, 2014 at 08:35 PM


BKTiel
Joined: Mar 18, 2014

strong independent bird needs no cage


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 08:42 PM    Msg. 32 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: raffgie

Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: raffgie
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6240433/Temp/Halomaps/spv3.jpg

I don't know how else to spell it out for you

I feel like I'm being DSalied or Altherosed
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:53 PM


Like i said in my last post, thats gonna be a rude awakening for anyone who tries to set difficulty to easy.

Maybe you should try reading the Noble description.

someone who doesnt have the universal ui isnt gonna know that (which is why it think the map descirption for cmt spv3 maps on halo maps should atleast say "if you set difficulty to easy you will be playing the noble difficulty, be warned!"). and the description doesnt really tell much. unlike legendary which basically says "you gonna die"

The Noble difficulty is easy. READ. You must be a complete idiot if you think reading "your enemies number few" means that the difficulty is hard.

Edited by raffgie on Nov 20, 2014 at 08:35 PM


Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt

Noble is harder than Legendary.


not giraffe
Joined: Jul 17, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 08:50 PM    Msg. 33 of 89       
MattDratt is a compulsive liar.


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

TAKEDOWN IS OUT MattDratt.com


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 09:01 PM    Msg. 34 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: raffgie
MattDratt is a compulsive liar.


I only worked with Masterz on the UUI before Moooseguy came back to work on it, so I can say I know what Masterz wanted. But yes, I do lie.

Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6240433/Temp/Halomaps/spv3.jpg

I don't know how else to spell it out for you

I feel like I'm being DSalied or Altherosed
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:53 PM


Like i said in my last post, thats gonna be a rude awakening for anyone who tries to set difficulty to easy.


Who the heck that knows how to use console commands sets the difficulty to easy?
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 09:02 PM


X12_1992
Joined: Nov 20, 2014


Posted: Nov 20, 2014 09:02 PM    Msg. 35 of 89       
Quote: --- Original message by: Danger_zone_98
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: raffgie
Quote: --- Original message by: X12_1992
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6240433/Temp/Halomaps/spv3.jpg

I don't know how else to spell it out for you

I feel like I'm being DSalied or Altherosed
Edited by MatthewDratt on Nov 20, 2014 at 07:53 PM


Like i said in my last post, thats gonna be a rude awakening for anyone who tries to set difficulty to easy.

Maybe you should try reading the Noble description.

someone who doesnt have the universal ui isnt gonna know that (which is why it think the map descirption for cmt spv3 maps on halo maps should atleast say "if you set difficulty to easy you will be playing the noble difficulty, be warned!"). and the description doesnt really tell much. unlike legendary which basically says "you gonna die"

Jesus, too much complaining for such a small thing.

CMT is gonna release some manuals alongside SPV3, and I'm sure they'll explain all of the things there. If people decide not to read 'em, it's their fault.


this isnt complaining, just pointing out things.

 
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