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MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013


Posted: Apr 1, 2015 05:14 PM    Msg. 1 of 44       
https://youtu.be/Wp5dOJQSnkE?t=6m43s The date of that speech from Halsey is from July 7th, 2589. Halo 4 takes place in 2557, and i mean, the way Halsey is in 343's halo, (Missing an arm, helping covenant, being charged with crimes, etc) theres no way that speech is happening. Nice job 343. Made that pretty important speech meaningless.
Edited by MEGASEAN2812 on Apr 1, 2015 at 05:20 PM


MoooseGuy
Joined: Aug 10, 2008

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Posted: Apr 1, 2015 05:49 PM    Msg. 2 of 44       
You don't know where they're going to take the story. Nobody does but 343. I'm sure they haven't forgotten that part of Halo: Reach.

Chief is about to become a public enemy to the UNSC as well. Wherever it goes from there, I'm sure Halsey will be involved in some way. They are most definitely not likely to kill her off anytime soon.


R93_Sniper
Joined: Feb 13, 2011

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Posted: Apr 1, 2015 06:19 PM    Msg. 3 of 44       
Considering that's an interior monologue, I can see that being feasible since Reach was Terraformed in 2582 iirc. So long as Halsey herself doesn't die until then its 100% workable. Hell it'd be interesting to see if in a future halo game (halo 6 could even take place during that time frame), Halsey finds Noble 6's helmet, recognizes it, and then gives that speech.


MoooseGuy
Joined: Aug 10, 2008

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Posted: Apr 1, 2015 06:25 PM    Msg. 4 of 44       
I give it until Halo 12.


greg079
Joined: Apr 1, 2013

channeling my inner april fool


Posted: Apr 1, 2015 09:33 PM    Msg. 5 of 44       
of the countless examples, you choose this? WP


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

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Posted: Apr 1, 2015 09:35 PM    Msg. 6 of 44       
halo 1 only grunts speak english
halo 2 elites, brutes, grunts, and prophets speak english, even when no humans are around

where is your god now bungie


StormUndBlackbird
Joined: Oct 27, 2011

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Posted: Apr 1, 2015 09:56 PM    Msg. 7 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
halo 1 only grunts speak english
halo 2 elites, brutes, grunts, and prophets speak english, even when no humans are around

where is your god now bungie
I'm sure a certain Halo 1 legendary ending explains the change.


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

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Posted: Apr 1, 2015 10:00 PM    Msg. 8 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
halo 1 only grunts speak english
halo 2 elites, brutes, grunts, and prophets speak english, even when no humans are around

where is your gaben now bungie
I'm sure a certain Halo 1 legendary ending explains the change.

an elite bangs johnson?


Bungie LLC
Joined: Dec 29, 2013

friendly neighborhood contrarian funposter


Posted: Apr 1, 2015 10:21 PM    Msg. 9 of 44       
it's active translation technology that's developed through each new iteration of MJOLNIR armor. Cortana played a major role in deciphering all of it


Ubermaniac
Joined: Dec 22, 2014

Bleach. Y'know what I mean?


Posted: Apr 2, 2015 12:57 AM    Msg. 10 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Quote: --- Original message by: StormUndBlackbird
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
halo 1 only grunts speak english
halo 2 elites, brutes, grunts, and prophets speak english, even when no humans are around

where is your gaben now bungie
I'm sure a certain Halo 1 legendary ending explains the change.

an elite bangs johnson?



In CEA, Johnson seduces the Elite.


Oskarmandude
Joined: Mar 16, 2013

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Posted: Apr 2, 2015 05:13 AM    Msg. 11 of 44       
Halo Reach isn't even canon doe
Edited by Oskarmandude on Apr 4, 2015 at 06:59 AM


Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012

The length of your life depends on my aim.


Posted: Apr 2, 2015 06:02 AM    Msg. 12 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: Altearose
Quote: --- Original message by: Oskarmandude
Reach isn't even canon doe

What? Don't act like you're not one of us fat and ugly halo fans. Reach take place before the Halo event where the covenant brutally raped the planet reach and humanity entirely.


Speak for your self.

So I wonder what the next phantasmal update will bring.

(Apart from the crushing sense of your childhood being ripped apart tag by tag.)


Think I should join a union or sutin. Gotta channel all dis 343 h8.


MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013


Posted: Apr 2, 2015 09:41 PM    Msg. 13 of 44       
nevermind.
Edited by MEGASEAN2812 on Apr 2, 2015 at 09:46 PM


Ken10Ness
Joined: Mar 9, 2014

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Posted: Apr 3, 2015 09:10 AM    Msg. 14 of 44       
343 Overall is making Halo better.
I think i have had a change of heart mainly with 343i because the changes are the kinds of changes Halo 2 made the difference is i grew up with Halos 1, 2 and 3 but now i just have to move on...


Ken10Ness
Joined: Mar 9, 2014

DED NOT BIG SUPRIZE!!!1111


Posted: Apr 3, 2015 11:42 AM    Msg. 15 of 44       
I was never competitive about Halo in fact its my least favorite part of Halo 5 is its Hm...
MLG N0 SC0PE 360 MLG!!!!!11111 hm... that and if they remove that and all the focus on the HM!
HOLY C**P POWER WEPONS!!!!1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 HM! that would make the multiplayer the best in the series.


Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012

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Posted: Apr 4, 2015 06:26 AM    Msg. 16 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: Ken10Ness
343 Overall is making Halo better.
I think i have had a change of heart mainly with 343i because the changes are the kinds of changes Halo 2 made the difference is i grew up with Halos 1, 2 and 3 but now i just have to move on...


M8. 343i is only good for re-hashing pre-made games with lens flares.


Bungie LLC
Joined: Dec 29, 2013

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Posted: Apr 11, 2015 08:12 PM    Msg. 17 of 44       
>the only people who actually believe 343 is making halo better is reddit trash

this brings me much relief


clonecam117
Joined: Dec 11, 2012

Now a professional VFX/particle effect artist.


Posted: Apr 19, 2015 11:23 AM    Msg. 18 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: Oskarmandude

Halo Reach isn't even canon doe
Edited by Oskarmandude on Apr 4, 2015 at 06:59 AM


This.


Echo77
Joined: Jul 20, 2010

Humble thyself and hold thy tongue.


Posted: Apr 19, 2015 03:45 PM    Msg. 19 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: Mr Timn the Milkman
TL;DR Halo games are canon, books are not. End of story.

http://www.halopedia.org/Category:Canon
TL:DR: The canon category is full of books.


Bungie LLC
Joined: Dec 29, 2013

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Posted: Apr 19, 2015 04:01 PM    Msg. 20 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: Mr Timn the Milkman
TL;DR Halo games are not reflective of established canon, books are a reflection of what things are really like in the "canonical" Halo universe. End of story.


fixed that for you

also thank you echo for using the superior halo wikia :)
Edited by Bungie LLC on Apr 19, 2015 at 04:02 PM


Echo77
Joined: Jul 20, 2010

Humble thyself and hold thy tongue.


Posted: Apr 19, 2015 04:16 PM    Msg. 21 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: Bungie LLC
also thank you echo for using the superior halo wikia :)

You mean the one true Halo wiki.


Bungie LLC
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Posted: Apr 19, 2015 04:25 PM    Msg. 22 of 44       
halopedia GOAT

halopedia > every other inferior wikia

also milkman, how on earth do you reason that. you know that the games purposely sacrifice accuracy and complexity in order to remain comfortable and ambiguous to the normal market audience, right? books are a glimpse into what the "real" universe is like


Masters1337
Joined: Mar 5, 2006

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Posted: Apr 19, 2015 04:49 PM    Msg. 23 of 44       
The books are official and all the plot points remain as part of the universe. Unfortunately, Bungie didn't care what prior games or books declared for the universe and went around retconning them at every possible turn. 343 has been far more consistent with cannon than Bungie.


teh lag
Joined: May 6, 2008


Posted: Apr 19, 2015 05:02 PM    Msg. 24 of 44       
343 guilty spark was brought back to life by oni, and also he is the digitized version of the reincarnation of forthencho who was the human rival of the master chief's prior incarnation's evil twin 100,000 years ago. the new covenant is led by a man who realized one day that there was a star map on his belt that he happened to be wearing, which told him how to get to a bigger star map, which told him how to get to a planet where he waited for 3 years until halo 4 could advance the plot. the odsts from odst are dead for some reason, and the ones that weren't dead are spartans now. halo canon is a glorious nightmare


Bungie LLC
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Posted: Apr 19, 2015 05:27 PM    Msg. 25 of 44       
I forgot to mention, everything post-h3 is hot garbage. that includes karen travis's pants-on-head stupid "le dank kilo-five ONI CIA" series and the even more ridiculous forerunner primordium junk.

also, as far as canonical handling: Bungie > 343i

refer to this: http://halostory.bungie.org/staten102204.html

second section. everything up to the point of microsoft shekeling bungie into making ODST and Reach and the 343 takeover was ok. of course now, it is a nightmare

RIP Staten and Nylund
Edited by Bungie LLC on Apr 19, 2015 at 05:31 PM


R93_Sniper
Joined: Feb 13, 2011

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Posted: Apr 19, 2015 05:57 PM    Msg. 26 of 44       
Personally I was one to actually like ODST's story and setup. I liked the whole Film Noir setup that it had going for itself and I think in that respect it played up pretty well. Maybe not worth that initial pricetag but hey its pretty cheap now anyways.


sparky
Joined: Jun 27, 2009

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Posted: Apr 19, 2015 06:02 PM    Msg. 27 of 44       

Edited by sparky on Aug 20, 2015 at 11:28 AM


R93_Sniper
Joined: Feb 13, 2011

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Posted: Apr 19, 2015 06:57 PM    Msg. 28 of 44       
If that's your argument, then your argument is null because the people who help to write the books are those who write the in-game storyline.

Bungie had a piece on this. The TLDR of it was that Books are canon, games are canon, newest game overwrites the canon of anything prior.


sparky
Joined: Jun 27, 2009

Jesus is a friend to the vindictive sociopath


Posted: Apr 19, 2015 09:19 PM    Msg. 29 of 44       

Edited by sparky on Aug 20, 2015 at 11:28 AM


EtchyaSketch
Joined: Apr 11, 2014

S P I N


Posted: Apr 20, 2015 01:12 AM    Msg. 30 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: sparky
-snip-

Put down the thesaurus.
And the bible.

Quote: --- Original message by: Echo77

Quote: --- Original message by: EtchyaSketch
Quote: --- Original message by: sparky
-snip-

-snip-

"Stop using big words," probably isn't quite as persuasive as something like, "You can give straightforward answers to things like this instead of trying to overcomplicate the issue with philosophical musings."
Edited by Echo77 on Apr 20, 2015 at 01:26 AM

I thought my take was more comedic :p
Edited by EtchyaSketch on Apr 20, 2015 at 02:14 AM


Echo77
Joined: Jul 20, 2010

Humble thyself and hold thy tongue.


Posted: Apr 20, 2015 01:24 AM    Msg. 31 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: EtchyaSketch
Quote: --- Original message by: sparky
-snip-

-snip-

"Stop using big words," probably isn't quite as persuasive as something like, "You can give straightforward answers to things like this instead of trying to overcomplicate the issue with philosophical musings."
Edited by Echo77 on Apr 20, 2015 at 01:26 AM


sparky
Joined: Jun 27, 2009

Jesus is a friend to the vindictive sociopath


Posted: Apr 20, 2015 08:46 AM    Msg. 32 of 44       

Edited by sparky on Aug 20, 2015 at 11:28 AM


Super Flanker
Joined: Oct 5, 2012

The length of your life depends on my aim.


Posted: Apr 20, 2015 09:16 AM    Msg. 33 of 44       
Screw grammar university.

I'll just keep reading sparkies posts from now on. :P


Echo77
Joined: Jul 20, 2010

Humble thyself and hold thy tongue.


Posted: Apr 20, 2015 11:29 AM    Msg. 34 of 44       
Quote: --- Original message by: sparky
According to what you want, a "straightforward answer" without explanation, you are asking to be manipulated. For instance, if I say, "it is this way, and you should believe me just because I said so," then how is that different from Microsoft and Bungie saying "the history of the Halo universe is now changed at our whim, and you should believe us just because we said so"?

Note that I never said "Give an answer without an explanation," just "Be straightforward." You can give a direct response to the subject without rambling from slavery to suicide to religion to culinary affairs and only then remembering that we're talking about Halo canon and making a comment that seems to have any connection to that topic. If you ask me why having a multi-barreled tank doesn't improve your odds of penetrating a tank's hull, I would tell you that penetration isn't cumulative (because a round that can't penetrate is a round that can't penetrate and trying again isn't going to change the outcome), I wouldn't lead you through some spiel about the media, the origins of armor, Spongebob, unstoppable forces and immovable objects, and then make an offhanded comment about why multi-barrel tanks are bad.

When I say "Be straightforward" I'm not saying "Give a stupidly simple response and make no effort to justify it," I'm saying "If you cut the fat, it's easier to get to the meat of the conversation."
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In regards to changing the storyline after the book is published and nullifying what was, HA10 put MA5Cs on the Autumn. Halo 4 brought back the Forerunners that had been declared extinct in all previous media and introduced the Infinity and a whole branch of new Spartans with improved armor so soon after the Human-Covenant War that it's like the struggle to fend off an inexorably sweeping alien juggernaut for a couple of decades didn't even manage to dent the UNSC's wallet. Things like that kinda seem to contradict what's been previously established.
Edited by Echo77 on Apr 20, 2015 at 11:50 AM


Xtralaos
Joined: Jun 1, 2013

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Posted: Apr 20, 2015 11:39 AM    Msg. 35 of 44       
This is one of the most stupid examples that one could give about 343i ruining the canon.

 
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