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MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013

no.


Posted: Jul 2, 2017 11:46 PM    Msg. 1 of 65       
Yeah, no.

I'm not working on this when all the self proclaimed "HALO CE LEADERS" want to dox me so bad and post about things about my personal life every opportunity they can. Find someone else for this, pricks.
Edited by MEGA_VKNG on Aug 5, 2017 at 11:18 AM


Jesse
Joined: Jan 18, 2009

Discord: Jesse#4500


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 02:55 AM    Msg. 2 of 65       
why did i quote the whole original post...
Mhm, I'm really digging the shaders. Looks like some detailmaps are needed though. Don't forget to use Halo 2 Vista textures, some are higher res than their xbox counterparts.
Edited by Jesse on Jul 3, 2017 at 02:56 AM


HandofGod
Joined: Jan 10, 2014

Halo Mac/MD Player & Modder


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 03:13 AM    Msg. 3 of 65       
Quote: I'm aware Halo 2 isn't really that great of a game, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a soft spot for how it looked.


So you're also on the Masterz bandwagon of hating on Halo 2? How disappointing.


MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013

no.


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 03:14 AM    Msg. 4 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: HandofGod
Quote: I'm aware Halo 2 isn't really that great of a game, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a soft spot for how it looked.


So you're also on the Masterz bandwagon of hating on Halo 2? How disappointing.


To a lesser extent, I don't hate the game but I don't think it's aged as well as people say it has.


SupaTrolol
Joined: Jun 25, 2015

\_(ツ)_/


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 07:36 AM    Msg. 5 of 65       
LAME! Clearly CoD modding is where it's at. Or maybe you're just in denial.


DeadHamster
Joined: Jun 8, 2014


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 09:15 AM    Msg. 6 of 65       
I really really like Halo 2.


lolslayer
Joined: Mar 21, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHbAKvPJkU


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 11:51 AM    Msg. 7 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: DeadHamster
I really really like Halo 2.


This

And I can't see how it didn't age very well, imo it aged better than halo CE


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

Our President Brags About Sexual Assault


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 12:56 PM    Msg. 8 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: HandofGod
Quote: I'm aware Halo 2 isn't really that great of a game, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a soft spot for how it looked.


So you're also on the Masterz bandwagon of hating on Halo 2?


Who isn't?


SOI_7
Joined: Mar 23, 2012

Tatsumaki best waifu


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 12:58 PM    Msg. 9 of 65       
It's just his opinion, guys. He's not a Halo 2 fan, you are, so what's the issue? This "Heresy!! You don't like the chapter X!" thing is quite annoying if you ask me


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

Our President Brags About Sexual Assault


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 01:17 PM    Msg. 10 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: SOI_7
It's just his opinion, guys. He's not a Halo 2 fan, you are, so what's the issue? This "Heresy!! You don't like the chapter X!" thing is quite annoying if you ask me


Because any other opinion is the wrong one


MosesofEgypt
Joined: Apr 3, 2013


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 01:53 PM    Msg. 11 of 65       
I can't tell, but are you using any uncompressed source bitmaps extracted with TeXource? You can get them for almost all of the weapons, vehicles, and the player bipeds.

http://forum.halomaps.org/index.cfm?page=topic&topicID=50041


Your diffuse maps wont have compression artifacts if you use them as 32bit color, or you can at least minimize them by saving them as dds with photoshop and turning them directly into tags with mozz.
Edited by MosesofEgypt on Jul 3, 2017 at 01:54 PM


HandofGod
Joined: Jan 10, 2014

Halo Mac/MD Player & Modder


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 02:13 PM    Msg. 12 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: MatthewDratt
Quote: --- Original message by: SOI_7
It's just his opinion, guys. He's not a Halo 2 fan, you are, so what's the issue? This "Heresy!! You don't like the chapter X!" thing is quite annoying if you ask me


Because any other opinion is the wrong one


The critics and most fans of Halo would disagree. Anyways I don't think it was necessary for Sean to put into his initial post that he dislikes Halo 2. Could of gone about it a bit differently imho. But yeah I look forward to seeing the new tagset when it's ready.

Edited by HandofGod on Jul 3, 2017 at 02:14 PM


MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013

no.


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 02:29 PM    Msg. 13 of 65       
@Moses I started this before Mozz came out, but I'll def check it out.

@HandofGod Masters would have me by the balls if I didn't.
Edited by MEGA_VKNG on Jul 3, 2017 at 02:41 PM


ODX
Joined: Jul 26, 2007


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 06:31 PM    Msg. 14 of 65       
Halo 2 is a great game.

Why did you use some random SMG animations instead of the actual Halo 2 ones for the tagset though?


MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013

no.


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 07:22 PM    Msg. 15 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: ODX
Halo 2 is a great game.

Why did you use some random SMG animations instead of the actual Halo 2 ones for the tagset though?


Mistake, sorry. blame Jesse.

I guess its worth mentioning I have a lot of the HDoan anims too, and I guess I'll also include those.

UPDATE:


Edited by MEGA_VKNG on Jul 3, 2017 at 09:56 PM


EmmanuelCD
Joined: Jan 7, 2015

Esteban se la come


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 10:49 PM    Msg. 16 of 65       
These tagset uses dual fp animations? Its balanced for MP maps?


MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013

no.


Posted: Jul 3, 2017 10:50 PM    Msg. 17 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: EmmanuelCD
These tagset uses dual fp animations? Its balanced for MP maps?


no dual wielding, and it's the same balancing as zteam so it should work fine.


ODX
Joined: Jul 26, 2007


Posted: Jul 4, 2017 10:09 AM    Msg. 18 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: MEGA_VKNG
Quote: --- Original message by: ODX
Why did you use some random SMG animations instead of the actual Halo 2 ones for the tagset though?

Mistake, sorry. blame Jesse.
BLAME JESSE. YES.
Quote: --- Original message by: MEGA_VKNG
I guess its worth mentioning I have a lot of the HDoan anims too, and I guess I'll also include those.
Now there's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Which set of animations though? HDoan did like 3 iterations among H3T's tagset, and while each was marginally better...I remember I got into such a fit of rage thinking I could do better that I ended up beginning to animate in secret with my mentor ICEE and my mother Donut.


MatthewDratt
Joined: Sep 11, 2010

Our President Brags About Sexual Assault


Posted: Jul 4, 2017 11:23 AM    Msg. 19 of 65       
Loljesse


Bungie LLC
Joined: Dec 29, 2013

friendly neighborhood contrarian funposter


Posted: Jul 5, 2017 06:35 PM    Msg. 20 of 65       
To be honest, my favorite ODST design from the series was actually the Halo 2 iteration. Not sure why, perhaps it's the more subtle and simplified overall look of them.

Anyway, why the visor color change from it's original white to blue? Was that done in wake of the Halo 2 Anniversary design?


MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013

no.


Posted: Jul 5, 2017 07:17 PM    Msg. 21 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: Bungie LLC
To be honest, my favorite ODST design from the series was actually the Halo 2 iteration. Not sure why, perhaps it's the more subtle and simplified overall look of them.

Anyway, why the visor color change from it's original white to blue? Was that done in wake of the Halo 2 Anniversary design?


The shaders are still being worked on, tbh the visor shader is hardly changed from how it was in H2SPP, and I'm still adjusting things. I'll probably keep it the same, because tbh I sort of dig how it looks. No other Halo games except vanilla Halo 2 and the limitations of Halo 1 are influencing this project.

Is there anyone here who might wanna check out the animations? The third person animations are plagued with some problems, the Marines overlays are borderline non existent, they don't have shooting anims or even some reload anims, Elites can't get out of dropships, etc.

Edited by MEGA_VKNG on Jul 5, 2017 at 07:59 PM


Bungie LLC
Joined: Dec 29, 2013

friendly neighborhood contrarian funposter


Posted: Jul 5, 2017 10:40 PM    Msg. 22 of 65       
I don't really trust those h2 animations that have been floating around, because all I know about them is that they've been in the possession of some of the killer5000-type posters around here, and that they have a reputation for being really rough around the edges, or outright broken. Unless, of course, you got them from the source, which is Mootjuh or Kirby themselves.

But, if you could get them cleaned up and in seamless working order for CE, I'd be very interested in using them. I'll download the set and have a look at them, I suppose.

EDIT: also, how do you deal with the bump maps in h2? aren't they, like, monochrome by default? how do you get them into a more "contemporary" normal/bump map format?
Edited by Bungie LLC on Jul 5, 2017 at 10:45 PM


DeadHamster
Joined: Jun 8, 2014


Posted: Jul 5, 2017 11:09 PM    Msg. 23 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: Bungie LLC

I don't really trust those h2 animations that have been floating around, because all I know about them is that they've been in the possession of some of the killer5000-type posters around here, and that they have a reputation for being really rough around the edges, or outright broken. Unless, of course, you got them from the source, which is Mootjuh or Kirby themselves.

But, if you could get them cleaned up and in seamless working order for CE, I'd be very interested in using them. I'll download the set and have a look at them, I suppose.

EDIT: also, how do you deal with the bump maps in h2? aren't they, like, monochrome by default? how do you get them into a more "contemporary" normal/bump map format?
Edited by Bungie LLC on Jul 5, 2017 at 10:45 PM



IIRC, monochrome bumps are converted by Tool into normal maps if the tag is setup properly.


Bungie LLC
Joined: Dec 29, 2013

friendly neighborhood contrarian funposter


Posted: Jul 5, 2017 11:37 PM    Msg. 24 of 65       
Really? I know that there's the monochrome format and "heightmap" bitmap type in the tag, each of which seem to deal with textures that deal with shader-related "depth," but I'm pretty sure these are xbox only formats and are deprecated on PC versions.


Masters1337
Joined: Mar 5, 2006

halonaminator's unfortunate idol


Posted: Jul 6, 2017 01:58 PM    Msg. 25 of 65       
Back in the old day everyone would make their heightmaps in tool, not PS. Times have changed. I dont see any reason why anyone would do it in tool now.


MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013

no.


Posted: Jul 29, 2017 07:14 PM    Msg. 26 of 65       


Halonimator
Joined: Dec 15, 2014

Halo5gsucks.com


Posted: Jul 30, 2017 12:23 AM    Msg. 27 of 65       
Keep going...


lolslayer
Joined: Mar 21, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHbAKvPJkU


Posted: Jul 30, 2017 07:12 PM    Msg. 28 of 65       


I just love to see the low-res Halo 2 enviroments :)

It's the only complaint I have about H2 enviroments actually, low res textures and the lack of detail-textures (not sure if they're called that way)


il Duce Primo
Joined: Apr 22, 2007

CMT Team Leader


Posted: Jul 30, 2017 08:33 PM    Msg. 29 of 65       
Most likely is due to poorly done shaders


MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013

no.


Posted: Jul 30, 2017 08:42 PM    Msg. 30 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: il Duce Primo
Most likely is due to poorly done shaders


He's talking about H2 in general.


Masters1337
Joined: Mar 5, 2006

halonaminator's unfortunate idol


Posted: Jul 31, 2017 12:40 AM    Msg. 31 of 65       
Quote: --- Original message by: il Duce Primo
Most likely is due to poorly done shaders


What's crazy is he has been porting content since longer than SPV3 has been in dev and it still looks like this. It doesn't even appear that he went and used the highest quality bitmaps from H2V, which is weird considering he tested the applications that allow him to extract it.


MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013

no.


Posted: Jul 31, 2017 12:48 AM    Msg. 32 of 65       
nice high pedestal bro
Edited by MEGA_VKNG on Jul 31, 2017 at 12:56 AM


Masters1337
Joined: Mar 5, 2006

halonaminator's unfortunate idol


Posted: Jul 31, 2017 12:59 AM    Msg. 33 of 65       
I'd be more than happy to show you how to extract and recompile them, the H2 art style is one of my favorites and I'd like to see it done right.


YottaBiter
Joined: Jan 5, 2017

Circle of Jerks


Posted: Jul 31, 2017 06:11 AM    Msg. 34 of 65       
Halo 2?? YUCK!


cippozzo
Joined: May 7, 2013

"I... I am a monument to all your sins."


Posted: Jul 31, 2017 09:14 AM    Msg. 35 of 65       
Guys, I have a question: could you notice the difference between Halo 2 and Halo CE with H2 tagsets?(Hud health bar apart)

 
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