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Jam
Joined: Aug 30, 2017


Posted: Dec 11, 2017 12:14 PM    Msg. 1 of 28       
I know you can block sightjacker on SAPP to keep people from cheating with it, but is there a script or SAPP command to turn off interpolation? I want the experience to be as fair as possible.

please and thank you :)


altis94
Joined: Oct 5, 2012

What doesn't ban me makes me stronger


Posted: Dec 11, 2017 02:25 PM    Msg. 2 of 28       
Play on xbox instead.


Isxz
Joined: Apr 14, 2013

MrChromed


Posted: Dec 11, 2017 03:37 PM    Msg. 3 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: altis94
Play on xbox instead.


il Duce Primo
Joined: Apr 22, 2007

CMT Team Leader


Posted: Dec 11, 2017 05:25 PM    Msg. 4 of 28       
Why don't you look into blocking setting resolution higher that normal.


lolslayer
Joined: Mar 21, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHbAKvPJkU


Posted: Dec 11, 2017 06:21 PM    Msg. 5 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: il Duce Primo
Why don't you look into blocking setting resolution higher that normal.


^
Interpolation will give a slight advantage to the people with 60FPS over the people with 30FPS, but it also gives just a more enjoyable experience overall, taking away that more enjoyable experience just to get it slightly more balanced isn't fair. (Just like with the resolution example)


Lateksi
Joined: Jan 1, 2010


Posted: Dec 11, 2017 10:10 PM    Msg. 6 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: altis94
Play on xbox instead.


KVOND
Joined: Sep 20, 2014

A.K.A -The Rock Candy-


Posted: Dec 13, 2017 09:38 PM    Msg. 7 of 28       
Why?, since you're on a disadvantage with interpolation because your game is one tick behind anyways.

Following your kind of mentality, why not lock FOV or Graphic settings like explosions and banning config.txt modifications such as DART for everyone uh?

you really want it to be as fair as possible?

ok, then lock everyone to the same FPS, same graphics settings, same resolution, same FOV, oh, yes, go play the xbox versions of the game where everything is the same for all and thus more "fair".

pls, go KYS
Edited by KVOND on Dec 14, 2017 at 03:57 PM


Bungie LLC
Joined: Dec 29, 2013

friendly neighborhood contrarian funposter


Posted: Dec 14, 2017 02:30 AM    Msg. 8 of 28       
lol


002
Joined: Jan 28, 2015


Posted: Dec 15, 2017 01:55 PM    Msg. 9 of 28       
I am planning on open sourcing Chimera in the near future. After I do so, you will be able to remove interpolation, yourself. You can then dispatch this modified code to everyone who joins your server and set a password on your server so people who have the official version cannot join.

Hope that solves your problem.

Edited by 002 on Dec 15, 2017 at 01:55 PM


R93_Sniper
Joined: Feb 13, 2011

When in Doubt, RUN!


Posted: Dec 15, 2017 03:32 PM    Msg. 10 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: 002

I am planning on open sourcing Chimera in the near future. After I do so, you will be able to remove interpolation, yourself. You can then dispatch this modified code to everyone who joins your server and set a password on your server so people who have the official version cannot join.

Hope that solves your problem.


I feel like you shouldnt bother allowing that. If people want to turn off interpolation, it should be clientside. Having a serverside restriction for whats effectively a cosmetic mod does nothing helpful to anyone
Edited by R93_Sniper on Dec 15, 2017 at 03:33 PM


002
Joined: Jan 28, 2015


Posted: Dec 15, 2017 03:55 PM    Msg. 11 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: R93_Sniper

Quote: --- Original message by: 002

I am planning on open sourcing Chimera in the near future. After I do so, you will be able to remove interpolation, yourself. You can then dispatch this modified code to everyone who joins your server and set a password on your server so people who have the official version cannot join.

Hope that solves your problem.


I feel like you shouldnt bother allowing that. If people want to turn off interpolation, it should be clientside. Having a serverside restriction for whats effectively a cosmetic mod does nothing helpful to anyone
Edited by R93_Sniper on Dec 15, 2017 at 03:33 PM


What I am saying is that Jam can simply download the source code and modify it, then give it to clients. Why someone would actually want to download Chimera without one of its key features is beyond my comprehension, of course.

While I won't disallow it, I'm not going to support such mods, either.

Edited by 002 on Dec 15, 2017 at 03:56 PM


R93_Sniper
Joined: Feb 13, 2011

When in Doubt, RUN!


Posted: Dec 15, 2017 04:18 PM    Msg. 12 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: 002

What I am saying is that Jam can simply download the source code and modify it, then give it to clients. Why someone would actually want to download Chimera without one of its key features is beyond my comprehension, of course.

While I won't disallow it, I'm not going to support such mods, either.

Edited by 002 on Dec 15, 2017 at 03:56 PM


Fair enough. I can get behind that


Jam
Joined: Aug 30, 2017


Posted: Dec 16, 2017 12:50 PM    Msg. 13 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: 002

Quote: --- Original message by: R93_Sniper

Quote: --- Original message by: 002

I am planning on open sourcing Chimera in the near future. After I do so, you will be able to remove interpolation, yourself. You can then dispatch this modified code to everyone who joins your server and set a password on your server so people who have the official version cannot join.

Hope that solves your problem.


I feel like you shouldnt bother allowing that. If people want to turn off interpolation, it should be clientside. Having a serverside restriction for whats effectively a cosmetic mod does nothing helpful to anyone
Edited by R93_Sniper on Dec 15, 2017 at 03:33 PM


What I am saying is that Jam can simply download the source code and modify it, then give it to clients. Why someone would actually want to download Chimera without one of its key features is beyond my comprehension, of course.

While I won't disallow it, I'm not going to support such mods, either.

Edited by 002 on Dec 15, 2017 at 03:56 PM


the hac2 author went through with making sightjacker (a feature that can give an unfair advantage) blockable with sapp. you made chimera so this should be YOUR responsibility not mine


lolslayer
Joined: Mar 21, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHbAKvPJkU


Posted: Dec 17, 2017 04:39 PM    Msg. 14 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jam
Quote: --- Original message by: 002

Quote: --- Original message by: R93_Sniper

Quote: --- Original message by: 002

I am planning on open sourcing Chimera in the near future. After I do so, you will be able to remove interpolation, yourself. You can then dispatch this modified code to everyone who joins your server and set a password on your server so people who have the official version cannot join.

Hope that solves your problem.


I feel like you shouldnt bother allowing that. If people want to turn off interpolation, it should be clientside. Having a serverside restriction for whats effectively a cosmetic mod does nothing helpful to anyone
Edited by R93_Sniper on Dec 15, 2017 at 03:33 PM


What I am saying is that Jam can simply download the source code and modify it, then give it to clients. Why someone would actually want to download Chimera without one of its key features is beyond my comprehension, of course.

While I won't disallow it, I'm not going to support such mods, either.

Edited by 002 on Dec 15, 2017 at 03:56 PM


the hac2 author went through with making sightjacker (a feature that can give an unfair advantage) blockable with sapp. you made chimera so this should be YOUR responsibility not mine


You're the only one seeing a problem in this, even when it's in reality not even a problem (like somebody said before, it's actually a disadvantage compared to others), it's not his responsibility at all


R93_Sniper
Joined: Feb 13, 2011

When in Doubt, RUN!


Posted: Dec 17, 2017 04:56 PM    Msg. 15 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jam
Quote: --- Original message by: 002
What I am saying is that Jam can simply download the source code and modify it, then give it to clients. Why someone would actually want to download Chimera without one of its key features is beyond my comprehension, of course.

While I won't disallow it, I'm not going to support such mods, either.

Edited by 002 on Dec 15, 2017 at 03:56 PM


the hac2 author went through with making sightjacker (a feature that can give an unfair advantage) blockable with sapp. you made chimera so this should be YOUR responsibility
not mine



Translation: Waaah, waaah! The developer isnt doing what i'm saying! I keep thinking that something gives an unfair advantage when it doesn't, but nobody believes me! He gave me a solution but i'm too lazy to do anything myself! Waaaaaah!

Get over yourself. You have your solution, do something about it. If you dont like it, tough luck.


Lateksi
Joined: Jan 1, 2010


Posted: Dec 22, 2017 10:39 AM    Msg. 16 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jam
the hac2 author went through with making sightjacker (a feature that can give an unfair advantage) blockable with sapp. you made chimera so this should be YOUR responsibility not mine


That's just... wrong. Also, interpolation doesn't really even give you an advantage, it just makes the game easier on the eyes.

Quote: --- Original message by: KVOND
why not lock Graphic settings like explosions and banning config.txt modifications such as DART for everyone uh?


This is a far better idea for competitive server rules.


002
Joined: Jan 28, 2015


Posted: Dec 22, 2017 11:26 AM    Msg. 17 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: KVOND

Following your kind of mentality, why not lock FOV or Graphic settings like explosions and banning config.txt modifications such as DART for everyone uh?
Edited by KVOND on Dec 14, 2017 at 03:57 PM


Presently, Chimera doesn't lock particles or DART, but it can report their status to the server if the server is running a certain unreleased mod.

The only valid reason to turn off particles is to hide explosions, giving you a gameplay advantage over those who have them off. If you turn them off because you don't want to see the particles from weapons, Chimera can turn those off without affecting other effects.

Also, don't tell me your PC is old or too slow for particles. My late-2012 MacBook Air, a laptop that was pretty low-end graphically even when it came out, can handle Halo at 720p 100 FPS max settings with chimera_interpolate set to high (8). If your PC is so much slower than a 5-year-old low-end Mac that it can't even handle the Low particles setting, then upgrade; you have much bigger problems than a particles setting.

As for DART, yes, it does make the camo a little more visible, but I'm not anal over that as what some are, as this can be mitigated easily.


Jam
Joined: Aug 30, 2017


Posted: Dec 24, 2017 03:24 PM    Msg. 18 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: R93_Sniper
Quote: --- Original message by: Jam
Quote: --- Original message by: 002
What I am saying is that Jam can simply download the source code and modify it, then give it to clients. Why someone would actually want to download Chimera without one of its key features is beyond my comprehension, of course.

While I won't disallow it, I'm not going to support such mods, either.

Edited by 002 on Dec 15, 2017 at 03:56 PM


the hac2 author went through with making sightjacker (a feature that can give an unfair advantage) blockable with sapp. you made chimera so this should be YOUR responsibility
not mine



Translation: Waaah, waaah! The developer isnt doing what i'm saying! I keep thinking that something gives an unfair advantage when it doesn't, but nobody believes me! He gave me a solution but i'm too lazy to do anything myself! Waaaaaah!

Get over yourself. You have your solution, do something about it. If you dont like it, tough luck.

idk if you noticed but 002s suggestion requires programming knowledge to understand. it should be 002's job to make it not give an unfair advantage because he made it. maybe I wouldn't complain if hac2 had it because everyone has hac2 while only a few people even know chimera exists

too bad 002 didnt get btcc22 to put it on hac2. just wanted to be selfish and take the credit for himself with no concern for if his work would break the game


Quote: --- Original message by: Lateksi
it just makes the game easier on the eyes.

even if that was the only thing it did that's still an advantage lol


MosesofEgypt
Joined: Apr 3, 2013


Posted: Dec 24, 2017 05:02 PM    Msg. 19 of 28       
How about you collect all the complaints of your users and put them on here so it doesn't look like you're the only one who thinks Chimera makes the experience significantly unfair. Unless of course, they aren't complaining because they aren't hardcore MLG players who can take advantage of that 1.7 milliseconds where a gun muzzle appears around the corner sooner. In which case get over yourself.
Edited by MosesofEgypt on Dec 24, 2017 at 06:36 PM


Jam
Joined: Aug 30, 2017


Posted: Dec 28, 2017 03:12 PM    Msg. 20 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: MosesofEgypt

How about you collect all the complaints of your users and put them on here so it doesn't look like you're the only one who thinks Chimera makes the experience significantly unfair. Unless of course, they aren't complaining because they aren't hardcore MLG players who can take advantage of that 1.7 milliseconds where a gun muzzle appears around the corner sooner. In which case get over yourself.
Edited by MosesofEgypt on Dec 24, 2017 at 06:36 PM


how about this

chimera is an overrated/overblown cheat. not only does it have interpolation to give people an advantage but it has a wireframe mode that bypasses hac2 (halo anti cheat 2) blocking of rasterizer_wireframe. eventually nobody will care about it except hackers and cheaters.

002 could be helping the community by making tools but instead he makes cheats and hacks and mods like spv3 spread this everywhere

if chimera wasn't a cheat then 002 would allow sapp to block its features like how hac2 allows people to block sightjacker
Edited by Jam on Dec 28, 2017 at 03:15 PM


MosesofEgypt
Joined: Apr 3, 2013


Posted: Dec 28, 2017 05:57 PM    Msg. 21 of 28       
I'll admit, I wasn't aware of the wireframe mode, however I still think you need to just get over it. I really just don't care enough to argue my point, and I'm pretty sure most everyone else here feels similarly.


Jam
Joined: Aug 30, 2017


Posted: Dec 29, 2017 02:01 PM    Msg. 22 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: MosesofEgypt
I'll admit, I wasn't aware of the wireframe mode, however I still think you need to just get over it. I really just don't care enough to argue my point, and I'm pretty sure most everyone else here feels similarly.


wireframe can be used on chimera even if hac2 (halo ANTICHEAT) blocks wireframe giving anyone wallhacking abilities that aren't blocked by sapp.

Chimera is bypassing an ANTICHEAT therefore it is a CHEAT!! 002 is making CHEATS and doesn't care about the community and the fact he hasn't defended himself proves this


MEGA_VKNG
Joined: Dec 23, 2013

Just give me more hate because I deserve it


Posted: Dec 29, 2017 03:20 PM    Msg. 23 of 28       
how do i block literal autism

Honestly just shut down Halo CE's master server if this is what kids feel like having their wieners tied up over. Maybe those Eldorito kids had a point.


R93_Sniper
Joined: Feb 13, 2011

When in Doubt, RUN!


Posted: Dec 29, 2017 06:45 PM    Msg. 24 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jam
wireframe can be used on chimera even if hac2 (halo ANTICHEAT) blocks wireframe giving anyone wallhacking abilities that aren't blocked by sapp.

Chimera is bypassing an ANTICHEAT therefore it is a CHEAT!! 002 is making CHEATS and doesn't care about the community and the fact he hasn't defended himself proves this


Normally defamation isnt my thing but holy cow you really have a stick far up yours dont you? HAC also does a lot more than anticheat by the way, so you claiming that something bypasses something that has anticheat in the name as a cheat is (in this case) actually retarded.

And obviously 002 hasnt bothered to defend himself. He has nothing to defend himself against. You being a self entitled child doesnt help your case by any stretch of the imagination.


KVOND
Joined: Sep 20, 2014

A.K.A -The Rock Candy-


Posted: Dec 29, 2017 09:45 PM    Msg. 25 of 28       
the wireframe command only works on self hosted matches on lan, it's disabled and blocked as soon as you join a dedicated server.

please stop being stupid.


Spartan314
Joined: Aug 21, 2010

Former biped rigger & FP animator


Posted: Dec 29, 2017 11:56 PM    Msg. 26 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jam
Chimera is bypassing an ANTICHEAT therefore it is a CHEAT!!

Oh
Oh God
What on Earth do we do to fix you


lolslayer
Joined: Mar 21, 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMHbAKvPJkU


Posted: Dec 30, 2017 06:55 AM    Msg. 27 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: KVOND
the wireframe command only works on self hosted matches on lan, it's disabled and blocked as soon as you join a dedicated server.

please stop being stupid.


Thanks bro


002
Joined: Jan 28, 2015


Posted: Dec 30, 2017 07:10 PM    Msg. 28 of 28       
Quote: --- Original message by: Jam
Quote: --- Original message by: MosesofEgypt
I'll admit, I wasn't aware of the wireframe mode, however I still think you need to just get over it. I really just don't care enough to argue my point, and I'm pretty sure most everyone else here feels similarly.


wireframe can be used on chimera even if hac2 (halo ANTICHEAT) blocks wireframe giving anyone wallhacking abilities that aren't blocked by sapp.

Chimera is bypassing an ANTICHEAT therefore it is a CHEAT!! 002 is making CHEATS and doesn't care about the community and the fact he hasn't defended himself proves this


I do not need to defend myself, because the HAC2 and Chimera topics speak for themselves.

Quote: https://opencarnage.net/index.php?/topic/6916-chimera-build-49/&page=14
chimera_wireframe was added. This enables wireframe mode, but only if you're not in a dedicated server. This command exists to bypass HAC2's blocking of rasterizer_wireframe, even when used for legitimate reasons.

Quote: https://opencarnage.net/index.php?/topic/1487-hac2-client/
Halo Anticheat 2 is a new mod, supporting all versions of both Halo CE and Halo PC. Download is at the very end of the post.

Despite the name, there's no anticheat in this build. This release is an alpha/preview to gather feedback on some of the features and a chance to get them tested on a wider array of machine configurations. Expect there to be bugs and gripes; removing them is the point of this alpha/preview release.


The fact I haven't defended myself is literally meaningless in your argument - literally, because it only means I don't care about your argument. The only reason I bothered making this post is because people keep bringing it up on Discord.

If you do not like people having access to interpolation due to an unfair advantage (however slight it may be), then I suggest playing Halo: The Master Chief Collection for the Xbox One console. It's $39.99 (plus the price of Xbox Live and an Xbox One), and everyone gets interpolation. Or, if you hate interpolation entirely, try playing the original Xbox version of the game and invite your friends over. You can buy an Xbox and a Halo: Combat Evolved disc for pretty cheap off of eBay. Or don't play online where people can have advantages. Either way, you'll be happy.

Have a good day, Jam.

Edited by 002 on Dec 30, 2017 at 07:12 PM

 

 
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